Republicans blocking START treaty for political gain

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Treaties like this are stupid. The rest of the world is building up their arsenal, and we had better start modernizing ours and fast.

Deterrence, and not "Kumbaya" singing, is the way to ensure peace.

Don't know what the treaty involves, do you Joey? It goes directly to keeping nuclear capabilities balanced (thus safer)

So you and Chuck are voting AGAINST extending our ability to continue physically going into Russia, and actually counting their arsenal, checking out their nuclear sites, seeing their capabilities, etc.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Don't know what the treaty involves, do you Joey? It goes directly to keeping nuclear capabilities balanced (thus safer)

So you and Chuck are voting AGAINST extending our ability to continue physically going into Russia, and actually counting their arsenal, checking out their nuclear sites, seeing their capabilities, etc.

No one is against treaties, they just are pieces of paper that are largely unenforceable anyway. As shown in the posts that you choose to ignore is testimony from a congressional hearing outlying the "issues" that the Russians have presented among them not letting us see much of what we are allowed to see, not paying their share and generally ignoring many provisions. The idea and work of reducing nuclear stockpiles is worthwhile but delays in signing this treaty hardly put us in danger or in a difficult spot as you have suggested in another thread.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

As shown in the posts that you choose to ignore is testimony from a congressional hearing outlying the "issues" that the Russians have presented among them not letting us see much of what we are allowed to see, not paying their share and generally ignoring many provisions. .

I'm not ignoring that. That point taken. Granted.

So you are for voting AGAINST extending our ability to [try and] continue physically going into Russia, actually counting their arsenal, checking out their nuclear sites, seeing their capabilities, etc.?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

I'm not ignoring that. That point taken. Granted.

So you are for voting AGAINST extending our ability to [try and] continue physically going into Russia, actually counting their arsenal, checking out their nuclear sites, seeing their capabilities, etc.?

No but i dont think a delay in ratifing it causes any real concerns.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

No but i dont think a delay in ratifing it causes any real concerns.

It's already been delayed for months by the GOP. Only the GOP. What is their holdup? Holdup after holdup? Delay after delay to ratifiying a routine treaty renewal that allows us to continue to do what we've been doing since Reagan. It is the same treaty ratified by the GOP presented under Bush. It has always been viewed as necessary for national security. It originated under Reagan. This treaty is a Reagan idea. What is the problem, GOP?

Oh, yeah: Mitch McConnell has said that the GOP's primary electoral responsibility the next two years is to make sure Barack Obama doesn't get re-elected.

That's taking one's election to run our country seriously! What a bunch of freekin' losers the GOP has turned into. They put their political careers above our country. 100% of the time.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

It's already been delayed for months by the GOP. Only the GOP. What is their holdup? Holdup after holdup? Delay after delay to ratifiying a routine treaty renewal that allows us to continue to do what we've been doing since Reagan. It is the same treaty ratified by the GOP presented under Bush. It has always been viewed as necessary for national security. It originated under Reagan. This treaty is a Reagan idea. What is the problem, GOP?

Oh, yeah: Mitch McConnell has said that the GOP's primary electoral responsibility the next two years is to make sure Barack Obama doesn't get re-elected. That's taking one's election to run our country seriously! What a bunch of freekin' losers the GOP has turned into. They put their political careers above our country. 100% of the time.

Do you seriously think the START treaty is going to affect the 2012 elections? On the list of topics that voters care about, treaties to destroy redundant nuclear weapons is very low on the average Americans priority list.

The Democrats are no different than the GOP. They just act all high and mighty like some of their more notable supporters.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Do you seriously think the START treaty is going to affect the 2012 elections? On the list of topics that voters care about, treaties to destroy redundant nuclear weapons is very low on the average Americans priority list.

I think the public is tired of two years of blanket GOP obstructionism, and the obstruction of a long-standing treaty the GOP originated and has upheld over the years, with full endorsement, only now being obstructed because it's not up for renewal under a GOP President - yeah, I think that puts the GOP in a light the public is gonna care about - alot - when they see it on C-span in the next four weeks.