Roger Stein on Beyer on Zenyatta

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I assume you guys know that Mike Smith admitted that he contemplated pulling Zenyatta up early in the race. I think he knows the horse pretty well. If she felt like her normal self and was travelling fine, do you think he would have been thinking about pulling her up?

Just like Joel Rosario considered pulling up Make Music For Me after he was 20th and 28 lengths behind after just a quarter mile in the Kentucky Derby...before he closed to finish 4th and will now go down in history as the single worst horse to ever make a Superfecta ticket in the KY Derby.




Ice Box was 24 back - I'm shocked Lezcano didn't come out and say he almost pulled him up. If only a Horse of the Year vote was on the line for Ice Box and Make Music For Me might we be treated to such stupidity.

You really are trying to be a wet brained tard. It would be a lot more amusing if you were some deranged clueless pretty poney woman sprinkling each one of your posts with about 7 emotocons.

I assume you know that I contemplated playing a $100 straight Pick 6 of Chamberlain Bridge - Uncle Mo - Goldikova - Dakota Phone - Dangerous Midge - Blame ... I think this proves that I should win an eclipse award for Handicapper of the Year.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I assume you know that I contemplated playing a $100 straight Pick 6 of Chamberlain Bridge - Uncle Mo - Goldikova - Dakota Phone - Dangerous Midge - Blame ... I think this proves that I should win an eclipse award for Handicapper of the Year.

Instead, however, you decided to put Quality Road on top (with Haynesfield as your 2nd choice). That was a very nice selection. There's MUCH to learn from you. ha ha ha

Where do you find the nuts? How does anyone not fall down laughing whenever you post anything, especially when you criticize others, after that FIASCO?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Instead, however, you decided to put Quality Road on top (with Haynesfield as your 2nd choice). That was a very nice selection. There's MUCH to learn from you. ha ha ha

Where do you find the nuts? How does anyone not fall down laughing whenever you post anything, especially when you criticize others, after that FIASCO?

Blame was my 2nd choice... but you know that already you ankle biting stalker. Oh boy, my top pick in a race put in a non-effort at 7/1 odds.

Keep pretending like every bet you've ever made is a winning one - and that you actually make money betting.

How does it feel to be the message board equivalent of Rich Kotite?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

How does it feel to be the message board equivalent of Rich Kotite?

HAHAH!!

Dumb and Dumber!

[santana]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Instead, however, you decided to put Quality Road on top (with Haynesfield as your 2nd choice). That was a very nice selection. There's MUCH to learn from you. ha ha ha

Where do you find the nuts? How does anyone not fall down laughing whenever you post anything, especially when you criticize others, after that FIASCO?

I have NO IDEA how old you are Fartman, but it is 1/5 that Drugs knows way more than you. The only thing i would say against his Classic selection was putting Haynesfield 2nd...just his breeding alone would make him a auto toss for me.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by santana

I have NO IDEA how old you are Fartman, but it is 1/5 that Drugs knows way more than you. The only thing i would say against his Classic selection was putting Haynesfield 2nd...just his breeding alone would make him a auto toss for me.

I put Haynesfield 3rd. QR-Blame-Haynesfield was my 1-2-3 in the paper.

Breeding didn't worry me about Haynesfield - he's already proven he could get 10fs.

Dale Romans came out and told the press several days before the BC Classic that he wanted to be "laying about 4th" with First Dude and "about 3 or 4 lengths off of the lead"

When Romans said he was going to instruct his jockey to take First Dude off of the pace ... I expected a slow pace. Anyone who knows anything - knows that Ramon Dominguez and John Velazquez are two guys who are notorious for avoiding duels.

I expected a similar scenerio to the Whitney to unfold. Quality Road to walk on the lead - and Haynesfield to sit about a length back while rating. Instead, not true to Dale Romans word .. First Dude ran off to the lead and baked the speed horses - and setup the closers.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I put Haynesfield 3rd. QR-Blame-Haynesfield was my 1-2-3 in the paper.

Breeding didn't worry me about Haynesfield - he's already proven he could get 10fs.

Dale Romans came out and told the press several days before the BC Classic that he wanted to be "laying about 4th" with First Dude and "about 3 or 4 lengths off of the lead"

When Romans said he was going to instruct his jockey to take First Dude off of the pace ... I expected a slow pace. Anyone who knows anything - knows that Ramon Dominguez and John Velazquez are two guys who are notorious for avoiding duels.

I expected a similar scenerio to the Whitney to unfold. Quality Road to walk on the lead - and Haynesfield to sit about a length back while rating. Instead, not true to Dale Romans word .. First Dude ran off to the lead and baked the speed horses - and setup the closers.

If they would have gone :48 and 1:12, the outcome would have been no different. Maybe Quality Road loses by 20 lengths instead of 25. Maybe First Dude loses by 8 lengths instead of 11 lengths.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

If they would have gone :48 and 1:12, the outcome would have been no different. Maybe Quality Road loses by 20 lengths instead of 25. Maybe First Dude loses by 8 lengths instead of 11 lengths.

Are you implying 7/1 shot Quality Road put in a non-effort - gee, no kidding.

By the way - I watched Cowboys Get Even get dusted by double digits at Charles Town last week to a horse that was in for a $12,500 claiming tag...he's yet to win and has burned a lot of money since that brilliant thread you started about him ....

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33856

Here's a chart of his most recent race in case you've finally given up and stopped following him.

http://www1.drf.com/drfNCWeeklyHorse...01112&raceNo=8

[alysheba4]

uncle.....

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Are you implying 7/1 shot Quality Road put in a non-effort - gee, no kidding.

By the way - I watched Cowboys Get Even get dusted by double digits at Charles Town last week to a horse that was in for a $12,500 claiming tag...he's yet to win and has burned a lot of money since that brilliant thread you started about him ....

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33856

Here's a chart of his most recent race in case you've finally given up and stopped following him.

http://www1.drf.com/drfNCWeeklyHorse...01112&raceNo=8

Thanks. There's some good entertainment in that thread.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Are you implying 7/1 shot Quality Road put in a non-effort - gee, no kidding.

By the way - I watched Cowboys Get Even get dusted by double digits at Charles Town last week to a horse that was in for a $12,500 claiming tag...he's yet to win and has burned a lot of money since that brilliant thread you started about him ....

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33856

Here's a chart of his most recent race in case you've finally given up and stopped following him.

http://www1.drf.com/drfNCWeeklyHorse...01112&raceNo=8

Cowboy Gets Even actually did improve 10 Beyer points off the race where I thought he had all the trouble. The race where I thought he had 8 lengths of trouble, he ran a 66 Beyer. In his next two races, he ran a 75 and a 76. So according to the numbers you guys trust so much, the horse actaully did move way up. I expected him to move up 8 lengths. What did he end up moving up, 5 or 6 lengths?

The horse is obviously not right. He was running close 2nds at Laurel in nwx1 races. Now he's losing the same races by 10 lengths.

Despite that, I will take the blame for a bad pick. The bottom line is that I thought the horse would turn out to be a very good horse. He's turned out to be a pathetic horse. Regardless of the reason, I was wrong. Whether it is because the horse is lame or he just didn't have the ability, he didn't turn out to be a good horse. I admit it. I'm not going to be right 100% of the time. Not every maiden winner that I'm impressed with turns out to be a good horse. Most of them do, but not every one.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

You really are trying to be a wet brained tard. It would be a lot more amusing if you were some deranged clueless pretty poney woman sprinkling each one of your posts with about 7 emotocons.

I think Rupert usually has one of the better opinions on here. It never ceases to amaze me what Zenyattardism does to people!

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I assume you know that I contemplated playing a $100 straight Pick 6 of Chamberlain Bridge - Uncle Mo - Goldikova - Dakota Phone - Dangerous Midge - Blame ... I think this proves that I should win an eclipse award for Handicapper of the Year.

Are you freakin nuts? Would you really leave off Zenyatta in the BCC? I bet you even if she runs second in that race, they will pay out the P6 to both the winner and her.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Just like Joel Rosario considered pulling up Make Music For Me after he was 20th and 28 lengths behind after just a quarter mile in the Kentucky Derby...before he closed to finish 4th and will now go down in history as the single worst horse to ever make a Superfecta ticket in the KY Derby.




Ice Box was 24 back - I'm shocked Lezcano didn't come out and say he almost pulled him up. If only a Horse of the Year vote was on the line for Ice Box and Make Music For Me might we be treated to such stupidity.

You really are trying to be a wet brained tard. It would be a lot more amusing if you were some deranged clueless pretty poney woman sprinkling each one of your posts with about 7 emotocons.

I assume you know that I contemplated playing a $100 straight Pick 6 of Chamberlain Bridge - Uncle Mo - Goldikova - Dakota Phone - Dangerous Midge - Blame ... I think this proves that I should win an eclipse award for Handicapper of the Year.

Joel Rosario never said he thought about pulling Make Music For Me up. Jockeys don't pull up come-from-behinders for being too far back. They pull them up when they don't feel right.

Your opinion is the one that is amusing. My opinion is shared by every trainer on the west coast that I've talked to. It's also shared by Mike Smith. But I guess you know Zenyatta better than Mike Smith since you thought she wouldn't finish within 10 lengths in the Classic.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Jockeys don't pull up come-from-behinders for being too far back. They pull them up when they don't feel right.

Your opinion is the one that is amusing. My opinion is shared by every trainer on the west coast that I've talked to. It's also shared by Mike Smith.

Every trainer on the West Coast thought Zenyatta didn't feel right to them early on ... and yet she overcame this ailment that plagued her so terribly through the first three furlongs of the race?

Yeah, ok.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Every trainer on the West Coast thought Zenyatta didn't feel right to them early on ... and yet she overcame this ailment that plagued her so terribly through the first three furlongs of the race?

Yeah, ok.

If you ever watch horses train in the morning or if you ever read any of the clockers' reports (Mike Welsch's for example), then you know that there are plenty of horses that are stiff when they first come on the track and they may take a half-mile to warm up. Some of them look very choppy in the beginning of their gallops but once they warm up they look much better.

Zenyatta looked very stiff early in the race. That's not debatable. Anyone that knows what they are looking at will tell you this. The most likely reason she was so stiff in the early going of the race was because they did not warm her up in the post parade. It was 40 degrees out. That was a big mistake.

I know why they never warm her up. They never warm her up in the post parade because they want to keep her calm. They can get away with that when it's 70 degrees out, but not when it's 40 degrees. I can't really fault Mike Smith though because the guy obviously did not want to change a routine that has worked 19 out of 19 times.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

If you ever watch horses train in the morning or if you ever read any of the clockers' reports (Mike Welsch's for example), then you know that there are plenty of horses that are stiff when they first come on the track and they may take a half-mile to warm up. Some of them look very choppy in the beginning of their gallops but once they warm up they look much better.

Zenyatta looked very stiff early in the race. That's not debatable. Anyone that knows what they are looking at will tell you this. The most likely reason she was so stiff in the early going of the race was because they did not warm her up in the post parade. It was 40 degrees out. That was a big mistake.

I know why they never warm her up. They never warm her up in the post parade because they want to keep her calm. They can get away with that when it's 70 degrees out, but not when it's 40 degrees. I can't really fault Mike Smith though because the guy obviously did not want to change a routine that has worked 19 out of 19 times.

She didn't look stiff to me. Life at Ten looked stiff.