Zenyatta Has Earned Horse of the Year - Page 7

Cannon Shell · #**121** 11-15-2010, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms

She ran great in the Whitney from an outside post, but nobody's going to confuse that edition, won by Mahogany Hall (in which Peaks and Valleys and L'Carriere were the two favorites), as one of the better Whitneys of recent times.

LOL. True!

The thing is that the last few years the older horse division in this country has been so weak that fillies should take shots. Just as Lukas took shots with SS in relatively weak editions of the whitney and Islin. I couldn't blame trainers for passing up races against Cigar, Holy Bull. Skip Away, Formal Gold, etc.

10 pnt move up · #**122** 11-15-2010, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Jolypha.

she sure franked that form the next season when she kept running into a great horse in Flawlessly.

Indian Charlie · #**123** 11-15-2010, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

she sure franked that form the next season when she kept running into a great horse in Flawlessly.

What do you mean by 'franked'?

RolloTomasi · #**124** 11-15-2010, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

she sure franked that form the next season when she kept running into a great horse in Flawlessly.

Isn't comparing turf races and dirt races like comparing apples to oranges?

The consistency on this thread is pathetic.

RolloTomasi · #**125** 11-15-2010, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms

I didn't list the runners of the 2004 Big Cap (Southern Image, Buddy Gil, Saint Buddy, Olmodavor, etc.) because the absentees were far better than who was there. She ran well, but I think it's a big stretch to suggest that Island Fashion's effort against that field was superior to Zenyatta's BC Classic.

It's debatable whether or not Southern Image was inferior talent-wise than Pleasantly Perfect. Certainly less accomplished and short-lived, but much more versatile and probably faster if speed figures are any measure.

10 pnt move up · #**126** 11-15-2010, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Isn't comparing turf races and dirt races like comparing apples to oranges?

The consistency on this thread is pathetic.

I think her suck up third was mostly likely a total illusion, certainly I thought Pleasant Tap was running a very weak second to a dominant winner that day.

I think Jolypha was better on turf but if you think its dirt thats fine, I have no way to say it was not.

Cannon Shell · #**127** 11-15-2010, 03:59 PM

The thing about Zenyatta is that so much of her body of work is against weak competition and this year in cases in less than impressive fashion. I keep hearing she is the best filly since (fill in the blank)....but IMO she isn't as good as Inside Information and probably would have lost many races to Azeri had they run against each other. Serena's Song's best beats Zenyatta's as well. Jewel Princess beat SS twice and needed 114 and 116 beyers to do so. Bayakoa's best was certainly good enough to beat Zenyatta's.

Dahoss · #**128** 11-15-2010, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The thing about Zenyatta is that so much of her body of work is against weak competition and this year in cases in less than impressive fashion. I keep hearing she is the best filly since (fill in the blank)....but IMO she isn't as good as Inside Information and probably would have lost many races to Azeri had they run against each other. Serena's Song's best beats Zenyatta's as well. Jewel Princess beat SS twice and needed 114 and 116 beyers to do so. Bayakoa's best was certainly good enough to beat Zenyatta's.

hater

Cannon Shell · #**129** 11-15-2010, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss

hater

I'm am in good company at least

RolloTomasi · #**130** 11-15-2010, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I think her suck up third was mostly likely a total illusion, certainly I thought Pleasant Tap was running a very weak second to a dominant winner that day.

I think Jolypha was better on turf but if you think its dirt thats fine, I have no way to say it was not.

What do you mean by "suck up"?

A rapid early pace that led to a meltdown with a bunch of closers coming to pick up all the pieces?

Actually, Jolypha was positioned in front of both AP Indy and Pleasant Tap early in the race--only 3 lengths off a :45+ half, but had to alter course to the inside of Sultry Song at the 3/8s, allowing the other two to move past her approaching the stretch, yet she had enough turn of foot to split horses and get back in front of Pleasant Tap midstretch, only to hang late.

parsixfarms · #**131** 11-15-2010, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I'm am in good company at least

Partly.

RockHardTen1985 · #**132** 11-15-2010, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by scat daddy

Who are theses people? I know one (Nick Kling) who Sunday on his weekly show clearly is voting for Zenyatta. Took call after call challenging him on why her and not Blame and he sat there with litle to no response. Really makes one wonder why these selected few have the power to cast a vote and determine the fate of a champion. Turn it over to the true horse person...The Bettor..now that would be something huh...

Scat

He is also a coward... He continues to say he is voting for her, but he is betting with a friend that she wont win. Way to stand behind your opinion.

Are you talking about the caller who actually seemed angry and said he would give the game up if Zenyatta got it?

Indian Charlie · #**133** 11-15-2010, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

What do you mean by "suck up"?

A rapid early pace that led to a meltdown with a bunch of closers coming to pick up all the pieces?

Actually, Jolypha was positioned in front of both AP Indy and Pleasant Tap early in the race--only 3 lengths off a :45+ half, but had to alter course to the inside of Sultry Song at the 3/8s, allowing the other two to move past her approaching the stretch, yet she had enough turn of foot to split horses and get back in front of Pleasant Tap midstretch, only to hang late.

That's the very definition for the term "suck up third"

slotdirt · #**134** 11-15-2010, 04:38 PM

It's easy to dismiss Southern Image because of his frailty, but when that horse was good, he was pretty good. No shame in finishing second to him.

RolloTomasi · #**135** 11-15-2010, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

That's the very definition for the term "suck up third"

Really? Even with her momentum being stopped at a critical moment?

Would Indian Charlie's 3rd in the Kentucky Derby be considered a "suck up"?

gaut10 · #**136** 11-15-2010, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Are you talking about the caller who actually seemed angry and said he would give the game up if Zenyatta got it?

people are so prone to hyperbole, if there really was a caller that said that...the game doesnt need an idiot like him.

there have been far less deserving year-end award winners in sports.

Indian Charlie · #**137** 11-15-2010, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Really? Even with her momentum being stopped at a critical moment?

Would Indian Charlie's 3rd in the Kentucky Derby be considered a "suck up"?

I was being facetious.

RockHardTen1985 · #**138** 11-15-2010, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by gaut10

people are so prone to hyperbole, if there really was a caller that said that...the game doesnt need an idiot like him.

there have been far less deserving year-end award winners in sports.

A man towards the end of the show called and really did sound angry... He went on and on about Blame should get it, then said If she wins it I am done with this sport. Kling had no real reasson to why he is voting her, just that he is, but he will bet against her winning it.

Cannon Shell · #**139** 11-15-2010, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

A man towards the end of the show called and really did sound angry... He went on and on about Blame should get it, then said If she wins it I am done with this sport. Kling had no real reasson to why he is voting her, just that he is, but he will bet against her winning it.

Track Facts salute

RockHardTen1985 · #**140** 11-15-2010, 05:12 PM

I dont care who gets it. If I had a vote, I would vote Zenyatta, but I would not argue Blame getting it.
Im more concerned with who wins the Remsen and Cigar Mile next weekend.
I would rather follow how the 2yr olds run at the Big A and Churchill the next couple weeks.
I dont really care about HOY, how does everyone else feel?