Goldlikova vs Zenyatta

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

One could compete in $5 million races … the other can compete for no more than $2 million

Top-flight classic distance runners are superior to 8-furlong turf specialists.

Sorry, Goldi fans … just the way it is…

So Usain Bolt is an inferior athlete to a bunch of skinny guys from Kenya who run marathons?

Greatness is greatness. Goldikova is obviously great.

Being an almost great classic distance runner isnt anything to be ashamed of.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

So Usain Bolt is an inferior athlete to a bunch of skinny guys from Kenya who run marathons?

Greatness is greatness. Goldikova is obviously great.

Being an almost great classic distance runner isnt anything to be ashamed of.

she won last year at 10f.......alas you will say that does not count so it seems you cant lose the way you frame your arguments.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

she won last year at 10f.......alas you will say that does not count so it seems you cant lose the way you frame your arguments.

So winning the BC Classic makes you great?

No one questions her distance ability, just her greatness...

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

So winning the BC Classic makes you great?

No one questions her distance ability, just her greatness...

winning 14 grade 1 races, two BC races, and losing the other at the wire makes you great...........please name another horse with similar accomplishments that you dont consider great.......I need a frame of reference from your view point, maybe you only consider like 10 horses in the history great.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

winning 14 grade 1 races, two BC races, and losing the other at the wire makes you great...........please name another horse with similar accomplishments that you dont consider great.......I need a frame of reference from your view point, maybe you only consider like 10 horses in the history great.

It's her level of greatness that's questioned.

As in, like, there is no freaking way she's better than a Secretariat or Spectacular Bid.

Nor is she greater than a number of fillies and mares I can think of in the last 25 years.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

As in, like, there is no freaking way she's better than a Secretariat or Spectacular Bid.

I dont think people with a clue suggest that.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I dont think people with a clue suggest that.

HAH!

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I dont think people with a clue suggest that.

Didn't Mike Smith suggest it on 60 Minutes?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

winning 14 grade 1 races, two BC races, and losing the other at the wire makes you great...........please name another horse with similar accomplishments that you dont consider great.......I need a frame of reference from your view point, maybe you only consider like 10 horses in the history great.

Ignoring the reality of her unique circumstances doesnt eliminate them as a factor in detracting from her accomplishments.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Ignoring the reality of her unique circumstances doesnt eliminate them as a factor in detracting from her accomplishments.

Well stated. You'd make a solid modern day racing writer. The editors clean up stuff like the missing apostrophe between the n and t in doesn't. It's a breeze.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Well stated. You'd make a solid modern day racing writer. The editors clean up stuff like the missing apostrophe between the n and t in doesn't. It's a breeze.

If I wanted to be a modern turf writer i would write things like:

Zenyatta is the greatest horse I have ever seen and has done more for racing than Abe Lincoln did for slaves.

Or

Lasix is evil. Lasix is evil. Lasix is evil.

[Thunder Gulch]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

winning 14 grade 1 races, two BC races, and losing the other at the wire makes you great...........please name another horse with similar accomplishments that you dont consider great.......I need a frame of reference from your view point, maybe you only consider like 10 horses in the history great.

Not denying her greatness, but the point of the article was to reveal the true quality of those "Grade 1" races in the company of below par California females. So we're talking about +/-4 true G1 fields, one of them in open company on the pro-ride.

[hockey2315]

I'd say a mile--on both turf and dirt--is probably where you'd find the toughest races nowadays.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

I'd say a mile--on both turf and dirt--is probably where you'd find the toughest races nowadays.

agreed.

I've always thought the BC Mile (the turf edition) was one of the toughest, most competitive races.