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Old 11-14-2010, 12:44 AM
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Because she is the better horse. I have no doubt about it. When she was winning the BCLC 3 years ago he was nothing, last year when she was winning the biggest rAce in America the BCC, he had not even won a Stakes yet. He beat her by a nose this year, congrats. The list of legit excuses for Z runs long.
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Old 11-14-2010, 12:46 AM
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Because she is the better horse. I have no doubt about it. When she was winning the BCLC 3 years ago he was nothing, last year when she was winning the biggest rAce in America the BCC, he had not even won a Stakes yet. He beat her by a nose this year, congrats. The list of legit excuses for Z runs long.
Hard to fault this spot on analysis.
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Old 11-14-2010, 12:52 AM
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Because she is the better horse. I have no doubt about it. When she was winning the BCLC 3 years ago he was nothing, last year when she was winning the biggest rAce in America the BCC, he had not even won a Stakes yet.
This is some of the worst logic ever posted on this board. That's no mean feat, considering the filth that has been strewn about this place.

And yet, it cut through all that like a hot knife through butter.

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He beat her by a nose this year, congrats.
Does this mean Switch should be tied with Blame, too?

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The list of legit excuses for Z runs long.
Is one of them that the stretch at CD was too short?
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Old 11-14-2010, 01:09 AM
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This is some of the worst logic ever posted on this board. That's no mean feat, considering the filth that has been strewn about this place.

And yet, it cut through all that like a hot knife through butter.



Does this mean Switch should be tied with Blame, too?



Is one of them that the stretch at CD was too short?
If there was an award for post of the week, this one would get it.
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Old 11-14-2010, 11:37 AM
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Because she is the better horse. I have no doubt about it. When she was winning the BCLC 3 years ago he was nothing, last year when she was winning the biggest rAce in America the BCC, he had not even won a Stakes yet. He beat her by a nose this year, congrats. The list of legit excuses for Z runs long.
Since they're done overseas I can't fault you for not knowing how these are compiled. The numbers are assigned to horses based on their best performance in a given year. If you're not familiar with Harbinger go to Youtube and watch his race at Ascot. If you watch it and then think that she should be ranked with him my hats off to you.

As far as what happened one, two and three years ago, they matter as much in those rankings as they do the HOTY vote. Blame was also a graded stakes winner before she won the Classic last year.
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Old 11-14-2010, 11:45 AM
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Since they're done overseas I can't fault you for not knowing how these are compiled. The numbers are assigned to horses based on their best performance in a given year. If you're not familiar with Harbinger go to Youtube and watch his race at Ascot. If you watch it and then think that from Japnshe should be ranked with him my hats off to you.

As far as what happened one, two and three years ago, they matter as much in those rankings as they do the HOTY vote. Blame was also a graded stakes winner before she won the Classic last year.
Check the races of Snow Fairy, her Oaks victories and especially this early morning's QE II from Japan, I think she's better than Ouiji Board.
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Old 11-14-2010, 12:10 PM
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Check the races of Snow Fairy, her Oaks victories and especially this early morning's QE II from Japan, I think she's better than Ouiji Board.
That was phenomenal, I watched it last night (or morning). It was hilarious how much money Ave took in the pools.
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Old 11-14-2010, 12:18 PM
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That was phenomenal, I watched it last night (or morning). It was hilarious how much money Ave took in the pools.
That was a performance I would rank right there with Harbinger's King George.

Btw Ouija Board never finished higher than 3rd in the Japan Cup, abeit one of her tries was against Deep Impact, this one is interesting, a repeat of the QE II will make her close to unbeatable. But connections are coy. If anything I hope we see Snow Fairy next year at the BC!
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Old 11-14-2010, 06:10 PM
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Since they're done overseas I can't fault you for not knowing how these are compiled. The numbers are assigned to horses based on their best performance in a given year. If you're not familiar with Harbinger go to Youtube and watch his race at Ascot. If you watch it and then think that she should be ranked with him my hats off to you.

As far as what happened one, two and three years ago, they matter as much in those rankings as they do the HOTY vote. Blame was also a graded stakes winner before she won the Classic last year.
I cant tell if your just trying to be a dumbass on purpose or what your issue is. You and I have discussed these ratings before, so you know I know what they are. I know who Harbinger is, you also know that. Blame should not be uttered in the same sentence as him. Was the Clark before the Classic last year? If so congrats for being clever about something.
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Old 11-14-2010, 06:13 PM
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I cant tell if your just trying to be a dumbass on purpose or what your issue is. You and I have discussed these ratings before, so you know I know what they are. I know who Harbinger is, you also know that. Blame should not be uttered in the same sentence as him. Was the Clark before the Classic last year? If so congrats for being clever about something.
Trying to be a dumbass? I'm not the one who said Zenyatta should be ranked first on that list.

Blame won the Fayette last year and it was run before the BC Classic. Zenyatta should be higher than 10th on that list, but she should not be first nor should she be ahead of Blame in my opinion.
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Old 11-14-2010, 06:16 PM
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Trying to be a dumbass? I'm not the one who said Zenyatta should be ranked first on that list.

Blame won the Fayette last year and it was run before the BC Classic. Zenyatta should be higher than 10th on that list, but she should not be first nor should she be ahead of Blame in my opinion.
About the other 2 things... Especially the ratings, you know we have discussed them. I even made a thread about them, asking how they worked MONTHS AGO.


Zenyatta is the best horse in America right now IMO. I guess nothing else matters.
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Old 11-14-2010, 07:27 PM
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About the other 2 things... Especially the ratings, you know we have discussed them. I even made a thread about them, asking how they worked MONTHS AGO.


Zenyatta is the best horse in America right now IMO. I guess nothing else matters.
how is she the best in america right now? she's faced one tough field this year, and it really wasn't even that much, and she didn't win. her wins over questionable competition the rest of the year doesn't give you any ammo to use in this fight.
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Old 11-14-2010, 07:29 PM
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how is she the best in america right now? she's faced one tough field this year, and it really wasn't even that much, and she didn't win. her wins over questionable competition the rest of the year doesn't give you any ammo to use in this fight.

She has run in the past 2 BCC faced over 20 males, I dont care how bad compared to past years they have been. Its been the best we have now, and she has beat all of them but 1, and thats was by a nostril. The connections should be slapped around for wasting time in the Ladies Classic 3 years back, that also cost her HOY. She would have won that also, no questions and would have finished ahead of Curlin and been HOY then.
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