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ateamstupid · #1 11-08-2010, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716

I was out during the Jets game, but I have a question, I heard that Suh was the FG kicker at his HS, but wouldn't you think at this point in their careers that the Lions punter would have had a better shot at making the extra point? I'll admit that it's an obvious second guess. It wasn't a bad attempt because he hit the post, but it's little decisions like that which can cost you games in the long run.
I just thought it was strange.

I couldn't believe that either. It was like a Madden scenario. The kicker goes down and for some reason Ndamukong Suh is the backup kicker. The fact that the punter wasn't kicking the PAT was crazy to me. I know kicking and punting aren't the same, but at least the punter gets paid to kick the ball for living, not eat quarterbacks. Great job by Brandon Moore on Suh yesterday by the way, made him a total non-factor. Moore should get to the Pro Bowl this year, it's long overdue.

slotdirt · #2 11-08-2010, 10:29 AM

The punter is also the holder. I think Schwartz decided he'd rather have a sure-fire snap than a sure-fire kick.

horseofcourse · #3 11-08-2010, 10:35 AM

To be perfectly honest, the Jets do not have a hard schedule. I'm pretty confident they'll lose this week, but other than this week and road games at New England and Pittsburgh there ain't much on there. Houston can be dangerous but it's at home and they're back to being Houston...the Bills, Bears?? Miami at home. Cincy?? I think they'd have to play pretty bad to not go at least 5-3 the second half. And I will say if they get a miracle win this week, they'll go 7-1 the second half. Because they will know what a feat that would be.

MaTH716 · #4 11-08-2010, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

The punter is also the holder. I think Schwartz decided he'd rather have a sure-fire snap than a sure-fire kick.

You would think that they would have a backup scenario for everything.

horseofcourse · #5 11-08-2010, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716

You would think that they would have a backup scenario for everything.

Maybe Suh is the backup scenario. It looked pretty natural to me, and he has a soccer background and he bombed the kick....looks like he can easily go 40 plus yards. It hit the upright. My guess is he could probably make 75 to 80 percent of them. Do you make 75 to 80 percent of 2 point conversions? I can't believe how much criticism this is getting. Welker kicked an extra point for NE and made it but didn't look as good as Suh's attempt. I'm pretty sure Schwartz put Suh out there not to be funny, but it was his best chance to make an extra point.

MaTH716 · #6 11-08-2010, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Maybe Suh is the backup scenario. It looked pretty natural to me, and he has a soccer background and he bombed the kick....looks like he can easily go 40 plus yards. It hit the upright. My guess is he could probably make 75 to 80 percent of them. Do you make 75 to 80 percent of 2 point conversions? I can't believe how much criticism this is getting. Welker kicked an extra point for NE and made it but didn't look as good as Suh's attempt. I'm pretty sure Schwartz put Suh out there not to be funny, but it was his best chance to make an extra point.

I said it was an obvious second guess. I don't remember what the score/scenario was when Welker made his kick.
I just can't believe that the defensive tackle is a better/#1 back up option to kick field goals over the punter.

Antitrust32 · #7 11-08-2010, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716

I said it was an obvious second guess. I don't remember what the score/scenario was when Welker made his kick.
I just can't believe that the defensive tackle is a better/#1 back up option to kick field goals over the punter.

If it was the Eagles in the situation and Akers was out..

I'd sure as heck want Vick / McCoy / Jackson / Maclin going for 2 instead of Trent Cole kicking an extra point.

slotdirt · #8 11-08-2010, 10:55 AM

I say again, would you rather have a guy who's never handled a snap before taking the kick, or have a guy who's kicked a field goal at some point in his life trying a PAT? I think Schwartz ended up making the right decision if he were going to go for the PAT, but perhaps going for two might have been the better overall choice. I still think the likelihood of Suh making that PAT is higher than the Lions converting for two points.

No matter, the Lions could have been up 10, 11, 12, or 20, they'd have still figure out a way to gift wrap that game for the Jets yesterday. That's how we roll.

Antitrust32 · #9 11-08-2010, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

I say again, would you rather have a guy who's never handled a snap before taking the kick, or have a guy who's kicked a field goal at some point in his life trying a PAT? I think Schwartz ended up making the right decision if he were going to go for the PAT, but perhaps going for two might have been the better overall choice. I still think the likelihood of Suh making that PAT is higher than the Lions converting for two points.

No matter, the Lions could have been up 10, 11, 12, or 20, they'd have still figure out a way to gift wrap that game for the Jets yesterday. That's how we roll.

Lions have some awesome offensive talent.. I thing 2 points in the option.

Unless Suh practices this PAT during the week. If he was going in cold and doesnt even practice the kicks.. you have to go for 2.

Does anyone know if he practices kicking?

ateamstupid · #10 11-08-2010, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Maybe Suh is the backup scenario. It looked pretty natural to me, and he has a soccer background and he bombed the kick....looks like he can easily go 40 plus yards. It hit the upright. My guess is he could probably make 75 to 80 percent of them. Do you make 75 to 80 percent of 2 point conversions? I can't believe how much criticism this is getting. Welker kicked an extra point for NE and made it but didn't look as good as Suh's attempt. I'm pretty sure Schwartz put Suh out there not to be funny, but it was his best chance to make an extra point.

You have an unbelievable ability to take 2-3 people discussing something on Derby Trail and blow it way out of proportion and make it seem like it's a huge bone of contention all over everywhere. Schwartz is getting way more criticism for throwing on 3rd down under 2 than for Suh kicking.

slotdirt · #11 11-08-2010, 11:35 AM

^^^ Agreed. That being said, the Jets seemed destined to win in hindsight, so I'm not sure it would have mattered if Sanchez had 50-60 seconds or 1:50 or so.

horseofcourse · #12 11-08-2010, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

You have an unbelievable ability to take 2-3 people discussing something on Derby Trail and blow it way out of proportion and make it seem like it's a huge bone of contention all over everywhere. Schwartz is getting way more criticism for throwing on 3rd down under 2 than for Suh kicking.

My bad I guess. I should have just said I thought him kicking for the PAT was the right move. That said, I can't believe I am the sole person who types on here that blows stuff out of proportion. I'm not a very tough guy. I like dancing horses after all!

nebrady · #13 11-10-2010, 06:04 PM

You know what stupid please grow up. Don't call me a moron man its really old how you cuss and think your opinion is always right. I was stating a fact you play cleveland next if you lose then your just like us. Your the one who should be on leash because all you do is bash everyones opinion. Oh and by the way bc ratings, attendance and wagering were all up. Hmmm could it possibly be because of zenyatta. The answer is yes! But you go on bashing her as not being a great horse! lol