Why retire her?

[justindew]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Are you serious? I'm a big Blame fan, but he would get drowned in most years too. It was a horrendous year for the handicap division.

Becasue his Beyer Speed Figures aren't that high?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by justindew

Becasue his Beyer Speed Figures aren't that high?

yes, pastor, that's part of it. You honestly think those two would've had a prayer in '04, '06 or '07? Child please.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

yes, pastor, that's part of it. You honestly think those two would've had a prayer in '04, '06 or '07? Child please.

Probably not. But you said he would "get drowned in most years." You just listed three BCs where he would not have finished 1st. By your logic, only Ghostzapper and Curlin are worthy BCC winners.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by justindew

Probably not. But you said he would "get drowned in most years." You just listed three BCs where he would not have finished 1st. By your logic, only Ghostzapper and Curlin are worthy BCC winners.

Invasor won in '06.

[slotdirt]

Now that she's lost, if the Mosses really were sporting, we'd finally see her run on freaking turf. Anybody think she couldn't have won the F/M turf race on Friday?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by justindew

Probably not. But you said he would "get drowned in most years." You just listed three BCs where he would not have finished 1st. By your logic, only Ghostzapper and Curlin are worthy BCC winners.

I skipped the two synthetic BCCs because they're completely nonsensical. Forget finishing first. They wouldn't have been better than 4th in '06, might have been a distant third and fourth in '07 and couldn't have finished in the top half of the field in '04. Pleasantly Perfect would've destroyed them too. Maybe they could've competed in '02. How far do you want to go back? They're extremely inferior handicap horses historically. I can't even believe you're arguing this.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I skipped the two synthetic BCCs because they're completely nonsensical. Forget finishing first. They wouldn't have been better than 4th in '06, might have been a distant third and fourth in '07 and couldn't have finished in the top half of the field in '04. Pleasantly Perfect would've destroyed them too. Maybe they could've competed in '02. How far do you want to go back? They're extremely inferior handicap horses historically. I can't even believe you're arguing this.

I really don't want this to turn into another epic DT argument-where-there-doesn't-need-to-be-one, but what exactly do you think I am arguing? I think Blame is 2010's version of St. Liam, Mineshaft (yes, I realize he didn't run in the Classic), and Pleasantly Perfect. I don't think he's on par with Ghostzapper, Curlin, or Invasor. Well, maybe Invasor. But so what? Blame is a very good horse. And Zenyatta proving she is every bit as good as him tells me that she can still compete with and likely beat whomever the Handicap Division throws her way next year. So she shouldn't be retired.

For what it's worth, Blame would probably dominate the HD too next year.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by justindew

I think Blame is 2010's version of St. Liam, Mineshaft (yes, I realize he didn't run in the Classic), and Pleasantly Perfect.

I truly have absolutely no idea what could make you think he's as good as these horses. They're in another stratosphere from him.