Blame saved the historic integrity of the sport

ateamstupid · #1 11-06-2010, 06:48 PM

Somehow Moss and Bailey still came away with the impression that she's easily the best female racehorse of all time. Even if she had run last they would've found a way to bestow some other completely undeserved crown on her head.

It's unfair to her. She's a fantastic racehorse. She's not the best anything of all-time. That's nothing to be ashamed of.

The Indomitable DrugS · #2 11-06-2010, 06:50 PM

Uncle Mo saved the history and integrity of the sport.

goingtothewhip · #3 11-06-2010, 06:54 PM

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Uncle Mo saved the history and integrity of the sport.

I think Dakota Phone did.
Or did that race fall apart too?

horseofcourse · #4 11-06-2010, 07:07 PM

Blame won a horse race today. Nothing more, nothing less. He saved the integrity of nothing. He beat the best synthetics race horse of all time who is also a very good dirt race horse as she pretty much proved today.

Personally I think she's just as good a race horse at 19 for 20 with this head loss as she would be if she were 20 for 20 with a head win today.

Last year was only because she ran on her home track as the nay sayers bombarded everyone with. She ran on blame's home track today and very nearly won it. She didn't. Blame should be HOY despite the lamentations of Shirrefs as she didn't run any other big dirt races or the Pacific Classic or HGC at home. She had a much better case last year than this year, so I just hope no one caves and votes her HOY. Historically, I think she stands up ok.

eajinabi · #5 11-06-2010, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Blame won a horse race today. Nothing more, nothing less. He saved the integrity of nothing. He beat the best synthetics race horse of all time who is also a very good dirt race horse as she pretty much proved today.

Personally I think she's just as good a race horse at 19 for 20 with this head loss as she would be if she were 20 for 20 with a head win today.

Last year was only because she ran on her home track as the nay sayers bombarded everyone with. She ran on blame's home track today and very nearly won it. She didn't. Blame should be HOY despite the lamentations of Shirrefs as she didn't run any other big dirt races or the Pacific Classic or HGC at home. She had a much better case last year than this year, so I just hope no one caves and votes her HOY. Historically, I think she stands up ok.

Well Said!!

DaTruth · #6 11-06-2010, 11:48 PM

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He saved the integrity of nothing.

Did you not follow the media coverage? Over a few short months, Zenyatta went from being the greatest distaffer ever to one of the all-time greats. Her supporters hung their hats on her unbeaten record. It has nothing to do with Blame's relative merits. Rinterval and Switch could have done the same thing if they had held off Zenyatta.

horseofcourse · #7 11-07-2010, 12:17 AM

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Did you not follow the media coverage? Over a few short months, Zenyatta went from being the greatest distaffer ever to one of the all-time greats. Her supporters hung their hats on her unbeaten record. It has nothing to do with Blame's relative merits. Rinterval and Switch could have done the same thing if they had held off Zenyatta.

I really don't like to follow the media. I didn't watch the races live yesterday or today as I was busy. I watched all the replays this evening. I knew the result of the Classic when I watched it and the first time past the wire Zenyatta looked like she was Life At Tening it. I thought it was a really good performance by her. Her loss saved the sport nothing. Her win had it been that saved the sport nothing. The horse can't pick her races. She runs where she is put and she consistently runs her race.

It was a horse race. It had nothing to do with integrity of anything. I guess she had to prove something to someone. To some this proves she can't run a good race on dirt because it was a horrid pace melt down and she still couldn't win. I find it hilarious that people arguing her 19 for 19 was meaningless...the same people will now argue that a nose loss in the Breeders Cup saves the integrity of the sport as you can't say she's 20 for 20. To be perfectly honest, we have seen nothing like this. Yeah, we can make fun of her connections and Shirreffs as much as we want, and their dodging of races the last two years, but when was the last time a mare ran in two straight BC Classics?? When is the last time a mare ran 1st in the BC Classic?? When is the last time a mare ran 2nd in the BC Classic? According to everyone, I guess those times don't count as it was synthetics one time and a tragic pace melt down the second time on dirt so you just throw out the 1st and 2nd that this certain mare ran.

It's remarkable what I read. I refrain from participating in the racing section because of threads like this and I don't have the time or energy to desire to be abused. I'll post in the sporty parts for no apparent reason as being abused their doesn't bother me too much.

Zenyatta is a tremendously talented race horse and always has been. And that pretty much is all it is. Why that fact creates such vitriol is amusing. The integrity of the sport has been saved I guess because she is now only the second best BC Classic horse of all time rather than tied for first best with Tiznow. Is that the integrity that was saved?? She is now tied with Alysheba for second best BC Classic horse of all time. Is that what saved integrity?? Fine, we can waste time on the wussdom of Shirreffs as I have and the Mosses by not branching out this year but she's great and the last two first Saturday's in November she was either the best or second best synthetic or dirt route horse in America. That's all it is. NOthing more.

Dahoss · #8 11-07-2010, 12:40 AM

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Zenyatta is a tremendously talented race horse and always has been. And that pretty much is all it is. Why that fact creates such vitriol is amusing. The integrity of the sport has been saved I guess because she is now only the second best BC Classic horse of all time rather than tied for first best with Tiznow. Is that the integrity that was saved?? She is now tied with Alysheba for second best BC Classic horse of all time. Is that what saved integrity?? Fine, we can waste time on the wussdom of Shirreffs as I have and the Mosses by not branching out this year but she's great and the last two first Saturday's in November she was either the best or second best synthetic or dirt route horse in America. That's all it is. NOthing more.

Stick to the sports threads. The vitriol is because people want to call her the greatest horse of all time or some other nonsense. She's not. There is nothing wrong with that. But, she's not, so that is what people are objecting to.

The Indomitable DrugS · #9 11-06-2010, 07:16 PM

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I think Dakota Phone did.
Or did that race fall apart too?

They went 22 and change and 44 and change ... Rosario taking Dakota Phone 13 lengths off of that pace - and having him positioned six full lengths behind the next to last horse ... that helped him.

RockHardTen1985 · #10 11-06-2010, 07:28 PM

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They went 22 and change and 44 and change ... Rosario taking Dakota Phone 13 lengths off of that pace - and having him positioned six full lengths behind the next to last horse ... that helped him.

Morning Line ran huge in that race. Look out next year, might be the class of the East Coast handicap division.

DaTruth · #11 11-06-2010, 11:42 PM

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Uncle Mo saved the history and integrity of the sport.

He saved the Cup from being a total joke this year.

RockHardTen1985 · #12 11-06-2010, 07:14 PM

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Somehow Moss and Bailey still came away with the impression that she's easily the best female racehorse of all time. Even if she had run last they would've found a way to bestow some other completely undeserved crown on her head.

It's unfair to her. She's a fantastic racehorse. She's not the best anything of all-time. That's nothing to be ashamed of.

Moss said it 3x, at least. Shes the best female racehorse EVER.

Danzig · #13 11-06-2010, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Somehow Moss and Bailey still came away with the impression that she's easily the best female racehorse of all time. Even if she had run last they would've found a way to bestow some other completely undeserved crown on her head.

It's unfair to her. She's a fantastic racehorse. She's not the best anything of all-time. That's nothing to be ashamed of.

i agree on all points.

horseofcourse · #14 11-06-2010, 07:19 PM

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She's not the best anything of all-time. That's nothing to be ashamed of.

you seriously wouldn't call her the best synthetics horse of all time?? who would take that honor if not her? Granted it's a silly thing and meaningless, but seriously.

ateamstupid · #15 11-06-2010, 07:20 PM

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you seriously wouldn't call her the best synthetics horse of all time?? who would take that honor if not her? Granted it's a silly thing and meaningless, but seriously.

go with your last thought.

horseofcourse · #16 11-06-2010, 07:24 PM

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go with your last thought.

Do you have the ability to answer my question you smarter man than me. (I'm a cancer patient, don't go your hero on me!)

ateamstupid · #17 11-06-2010, 07:26 PM

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Do you have the ability to answer my question you smarter man than me. (I'm a cancer patient, don't go your hero on me!)

Yes, she's the best synthetic horse ever. No, no one should care about that.

justindew · #18 11-06-2010, 11:48 PM

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Yes, she's the best synthetic horse ever. No, no one should care about that.

Ummm....aren't you forgetting a certain three-year-old from 2009?

slotdirt · #19 11-06-2010, 07:28 PM

Did someone just ask if the dirt mile fell apart? It doesn't take Andy Serling to figure out that when horses go the same time for a half that one typically sees going one turn at CT that it might help those running off the pace.

goingtothewhip · #20 11-06-2010, 07:41 PM

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Did someone just ask if the dirt mile fell apart? It doesn't take Andy Serling to figure out that when horses go the same time for a half that one typically sees going one turn at CT that it might help those running off the pace.

I wish i could just go by numbers too. Colors preferably.