Blame saved the historic integrity of the sport

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

He saved the integrity of nothing.

Did you not follow the media coverage? Over a few short months, Zenyatta went from being the greatest distaffer ever to one of the all-time greats. Her supporters hung their hats on her unbeaten record. It has nothing to do with Blame's relative merits. Rinterval and Switch could have done the same thing if they had held off Zenyatta.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Yes, she's the best synthetic horse ever. No, no one should care about that.

Ummm....aren't you forgetting a certain three-year-old from 2009?

[nebrady]

Ok this is getting crazy! Blame saved the sport are you kidding me! Why such hate? You don't think she was good for horse racing in general? Did you hear the crowd roar when they saw her! She was so far back and was flying to barely miss at the wire! Give zenyatta her just due. 19 for 20 on any surface is awesome. She is what makes horse racing great. So quit hating and realize she is good for the sport. Also don't get me started about morning line. I was yelling wheres the wire instead boom went my pic 3 and 4 and not to mention my win ticket! I love fly down missed barely in travers and looking forward to him racing next year. Maybe next year zito will have some luck! Great breeders cup!

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by nebrady

Ok this is getting crazy! Blame saved the sport are you kidding me! Why such hate? You don't think she was good for horse racing in general? Did you hear the crowd roar when they saw her! She was so far back and was flying to barely miss at the wire! Give zenyatta her just due. 19 for 20 on any surface is awesome. She is what makes horse racing great. So quit hating and realize she is good for the sport. Also don't get me started about morning line. I was yelling wheres the wire instead boom went my pic 3 and 4 and not to mention my win ticket! I love fly down missed barely in travers and looking forward to him racing next year. Maybe next year zito will have some luck! Great breeders cup!

Sparky, let me ask you something. Do you think the pace flattered her running style?

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

Did you not follow the media coverage? Over a few short months, Zenyatta went from being the greatest distaffer ever to one of the all-time greats. Her supporters hung their hats on her unbeaten record. It has nothing to do with Blame's relative merits. Rinterval and Switch could have done the same thing if they had held off Zenyatta.

I really don't like to follow the media. I didn't watch the races live yesterday or today as I was busy. I watched all the replays this evening. I knew the result of the Classic when I watched it and the first time past the wire Zenyatta looked like she was Life At Tening it. I thought it was a really good performance by her. Her loss saved the sport nothing. Her win had it been that saved the sport nothing. The horse can't pick her races. She runs where she is put and she consistently runs her race.

It was a horse race. It had nothing to do with integrity of anything. I guess she had to prove something to someone. To some this proves she can't run a good race on dirt because it was a horrid pace melt down and she still couldn't win. I find it hilarious that people arguing her 19 for 19 was meaningless...the same people will now argue that a nose loss in the Breeders Cup saves the integrity of the sport as you can't say she's 20 for 20. To be perfectly honest, we have seen nothing like this. Yeah, we can make fun of her connections and Shirreffs as much as we want, and their dodging of races the last two years, but when was the last time a mare ran in two straight BC Classics?? When is the last time a mare ran 1st in the BC Classic?? When is the last time a mare ran 2nd in the BC Classic? According to everyone, I guess those times don't count as it was synthetics one time and a tragic pace melt down the second time on dirt so you just throw out the 1st and 2nd that this certain mare ran.

It's remarkable what I read. I refrain from participating in the racing section because of threads like this and I don't have the time or energy to desire to be abused. I'll post in the sporty parts for no apparent reason as being abused their doesn't bother me too much.

Zenyatta is a tremendously talented race horse and always has been. And that pretty much is all it is. Why that fact creates such vitriol is amusing. The integrity of the sport has been saved I guess because she is now only the second best BC Classic horse of all time rather than tied for first best with Tiznow. Is that the integrity that was saved?? She is now tied with Alysheba for second best BC Classic horse of all time. Is that what saved integrity?? Fine, we can waste time on the wussdom of Shirreffs as I have and the Mosses by not branching out this year but she's great and the last two first Saturday's in November she was either the best or second best synthetic or dirt route horse in America. That's all it is. NOthing more.

[nebrady]

Who you calling sparky! What about the fact that she came 6 wide and almost caught him. Why the hate you don't think she is good for horse racing! Comon man! lol By the way i liked blame and had the tri! But would have loved to see her win and hope she come back so you people can go on hating an amazing athlete. By the way she beat up ginger punch on the dirt so don't give me that crap about being a synthetic horse. Just think one more head bob and she wins and you would all still be bashing her! lol

[hockey2315]

It's sad that Zenyatta's fans and connections have forced many of us to dislike her and root against her. She's a very good horse. . . I just wish I could have enjoyed her races more.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Zenyatta is a tremendously talented race horse and always has been. And that pretty much is all it is. Why that fact creates such vitriol is amusing. The integrity of the sport has been saved I guess because she is now only the second best BC Classic horse of all time rather than tied for first best with Tiznow. Is that the integrity that was saved?? She is now tied with Alysheba for second best BC Classic horse of all time. Is that what saved integrity?? Fine, we can waste time on the wussdom of Shirreffs as I have and the Mosses by not branching out this year but she's great and the last two first Saturday's in November she was either the best or second best synthetic or dirt route horse in America. That's all it is. NOthing more.

Stick to the sports threads. The vitriol is because people want to call her the greatest horse of all time or some other nonsense. She's not. There is nothing wrong with that. But, she's not, so that is what people are objecting to.

[nebrady]

All you had to do is cheer for. It reminds me of sea biscuit. Great book and another horse from the west that east hated! Answer my question if she doesn't go 6 wide you can't tell me she doesn't win! Maybe mike smith is to blame not blame! lol

[hockey2315]

She didn't run the better race today. She was much farther away from a pace that collapsed and Blame dug in to beat her. Obviously, that doesn't mean she ran a bad race at all. It does blow up a few of the ridiculous characteristics her fans bestowed upon her, though.

[Port Conway Lane]

I really wish "Zenyatta's fans" wasn't used so broadly as to include every last one of them.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by nebrady

All you had to do is cheer for. It reminds me of sea biscuit. Great book and another horse from the west that east hated! Answer my question if she doesn't go 6 wide you can't tell me she doesn't win! Maybe mike smith is to blame not blame! lol

She had a great trip and got beat by a better horse today. I cheer for the horse I bet on.

[ManilaRose]

She had every chance to beat Blame with 200 yards to go. She couldn't do it because he was better today. End of story. On a side not, Blame must be the greatest horse ever.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by ManilaRose

She had every chance to beat Blame with 200 yards to go. She couldn't do it because he was better today. End of story. On a side not, Blame must be the greatest horse ever.

I disagree. I think Blame had the better trip. I don't think Zenyatta had a horrible trip. She had an ok trip for a dead-last come-from-behinder in a 12 horse field. But as I said before, a horse with her running style can't expect to always get a perfect trip in a big field. She was forced to tap on the brakes turning for home and I think that cost her the race. If she was much the best, she could have overcome it but she was not much the best. Blame is a really good horse and you can't give him any type of edge or he will beat you. I do give Blame credit for digging down deep when he saw her coming. She looked like she had him at the 1/16th pole but when he saw her coming he made one final surge and that was the difference.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

We can now finally put the rest the ridiculous notion that Zenyatta is the greatest American-raced thoroughbred ever.

You know what man, you bring up something that makes me realize just how epic Blame is.

He deserves HOY and entry into the Hall of Fame for all he did for racing history today.

You know, kinda like how Zenyatta is the best horse ever because all of what she's done for racing.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by nebrady

Ok this is getting crazy! Blame saved the sport are you kidding me! Why such hate? You don't think she was good for horse racing in general? Did you hear the crowd roar when they saw her! She was so far back and was flying to barely miss at the wire! Give zenyatta her just due. 19 for 20 on any surface is awesome. She is what makes horse racing great. So quit hating and realize she is good for the sport. Also don't get me started about morning line. I was yelling wheres the wire instead boom went my pic 3 and 4 and not to mention my win ticket! I love fly down missed barely in travers and looking forward to him racing next year. Maybe next year zito will have some luck! Great breeders cup!

19 of 20?

To me, that makes her no better than Peppers Pride, who checked out a perfect 19 for 19.

I don't even know how you can think Z is in the same league as PP.

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

You know what man, you bring up something that makes me realize just how epic Blame is.

He deserves HOY and entry into the Hall of Fame for all he did for racing history today.

You know, kinda like how Zenyatta is the best horse ever because all of what she's done for racing.

Blame > Zenyatta

"Zenyatta beat one of the greatest fields — all boys — ever assembled last year in the Classic. . . Zenyatta will win the Classic by daylight." Joe Drape, New York Times.

http://therail.blogs.nytimes.com/201...-breeders-cup/

[Smooth Operator]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

Blame > Zenyatta

Talk is cheap on the 'net.

Would love to see how much you'd be willing to risk on B if they met in a 10f contest next month at, say, a place like Bel or OP…

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Talk is cheap on the 'net.

Would love to see how much you'd be willing to risk on B if they met in a 10f contest next month at, say, a place like Bel or OP…

Exactly, talk is cheap when it deludes people into thinking that desperately beating the likes of Rinterval means something just because it happens in a Grade 1 race.

Blame doesn't have to prove anything. He defeated Zenyatta in the world's most important race (or at least it was the year when Zenyatta won it).

[Smooth Operator]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

Exactly, talk is cheap when it deludes people into thinking that desperately beating the likes of Rinterval means something just because it happens in a Grade 1 race.

Blame doesn't have to prove anything. He defeated Zenyatta in the world's most important race (or at least it was the year when Zenyatta won it).

I'm thinking it would be no more than a five spot for ya on B.