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Old 11-05-2010, 11:14 PM
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I have a serious question for Vic. Why do you think A. Quinonez didnt get to retain any of the mounts he could have carried into the BC? His name shows up in the PPs as the last rider for a number of horses, and I think he has done some great riding this year.
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Old 11-05-2010, 11:44 PM
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I have a serious question for Vic. Why do you think A. Quinonez didnt get to retain any of the mounts he could have carried into the BC? His name shows up in the PPs as the last rider for a number of horses, and I think he has done some great riding this year.
Sadler was not overly happy with his ride on Tell a Kelly in the Oak Leaf. Bigger reason though was he wanted a rider who's more familiar with Churchill Downs.

As for Switch. Sadler thinks Rosario is better than Quinonez and gave him the best possible chance. John is very refreshing in that way. He's very frank and honest about that kind of stuff. He pulls no punches. If an agent can't deal with that he can't ride for Sadler.

I know Alonso was disapointed when Richard's Kid skipped the classic to point for Dubai. Not a big shock there he's Arab owned.

Were there others?
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Old 11-05-2010, 11:45 PM
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I'm eagerly awaiting Byk's opinion on this, I got it at 1/2 that his head almost exploded as this was unfolding.
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Old 11-06-2010, 04:58 AM
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I'm eagerly awaiting Byk's opinion on this, I got it at 1/2 that his head almost exploded as this was unfolding.
Bewildered Tom.. and then just disappointed how these embarrassments never end for the sport. Tina and I went downstairs for the race, so at ground level and without benefit of TV/audio, didn't know exactly what was going on until later. Here the vets were busy all morning looking for Saturday horses to scratch, but somehow are oblivious to a distressed horse on track that's one of the choices in one of the biggest races of the year. Great.

As I mentioned in a quick recap of yesterday in Selections, bad bookends to the day with some very nice things in between. But no matter how good the best portion of Day 1 was, the humiliating parts of the day will be get the focus (depending on what transpires today of course).
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Old 11-06-2010, 07:01 AM
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Steve:
Are you going to be at the track early today?
I would love to get some more insight into what they are doing to it today.
The rolling of the track you described yesterday sure didn't help the closers.

I have been going to the track for 30 years and I have never seen something like Life At Ten happen like that.
We have all had horses run poorly but she didn't run 2 feet.

Thank god I was watching the ESPN telecast and cancelled my bet on her.
She was my lock of the day and would have beaten the Mott filly if healthy.

I know fillies are very prone to tying up but that was too weird to believe. It was like someone TQ'd her before bringing her to the paddock.


Thanks for all the insight this week on the show.....it really helped me get a handle on the early part of yesterday's card.
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Old 11-06-2010, 07:40 AM
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It reminded me of Big Brown in the Belmont, except BB actually ran for a bit. LAT clearly was out of sorts.

Todd often watches big races from the horseman's office or similar areas. It's not strange. I do however get the impression that he knew LAT was not right but handed her off to JV, somehow washing his hands of her, placing the responsibility for her in John's hands. Yes, JV maybe should have pressed the issue more but he works for Todd and Todd works for the owner and if the two "higher powers" saw fit to send her out, what's he to do?

Vets on track can only do so much. They are looking for lameness, not uncharacteristic demeanor. I'm guessing that none of the vets there had ever seen LAT up close and thus wouldn't know her "typical" behavior.

I liked LAT because she stalked in the Beldame and thought she might get the same trip here, in fact I hoped to see her about where UB was. Inside was not great but I figured some of the speed would separate from the group (as it did) and LAT could ease out a bit.
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Steve: Are you going to be at the track early today? I would love to get some more insight into what they are doing to it today. The rolling of the track you described yesterday sure didn't help the closers.

I have been going to the track for 30 years and I have never seen something like Life At Ten happen like that. We have all had horses run poorly but she didn't run 2 feet. Thank god I was watching the ESPN telecast and cancelled my bet on her. She was my lock of the day and would have beaten the Mott filly if healthy. I know fillies are very prone to tying up but that was too weird to believe. It was like someone TQ'd her before bringing her to the paddock.

Thanks for all the insight this week on the show.....it really helped me get a handle on the early part of yesterday's card.
G2W,

Thanks very much! Always glad to hear that the broadcasts contribute positively. Credit goes to Mig who pointed out that Butch Lehr was clearly tightening the track up.

Not rushing over there this morning actually. First relaxed a.m. in 2 weeks to be honest (though I've been up since 3:30 to get the Selections written.) Tina and I are going to breakfast and then packing up as we want to get to Columbus or so tonight after the races.

In terms of the surface, I'm confident the track will be no less fast than it was yesterday.

What you saw with Life at Ten was very frustrating and disconcerting. Even though the jockey dust-up will get all the publicity, the non SCR reflects much more poorly on the game. The danger to the horse and rider and the rest of the field is of course one part of the problem, but the indignity to horseplayers is inexcusable. We'll see what directions the fallout takes.

Good luck today!
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Old 11-06-2010, 10:11 AM
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G2W,

What you saw with Life at Ten was very frustrating and disconcerting. Even though the jockey dust-up will get all the publicity, the non SCR reflects much more poorly on the game. The danger to the horse and rider and the rest of the field is of course one part of the problem, but the indignity to horseplayers is inexcusable. We'll see what directions the fallout takes.

Good luck today!
I dont think it does, I think people who play the game are kinda used to this funny business with scratches/non scratches. I would have been MORE shocked had they scratched her.

I also dont think the fight means much to be people who play the game.
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I think Life At Ten should win the Eclipse for 3yo champion filly. I think beating older fillies and mares all year should trump what Blind Luck has done.
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Sadler was not overly happy with his ride on Tell a Kelly in the Oak Leaf. Bigger reason though was he wanted a rider who's more familiar with Churchill Downs.

As for Switch. Sadler thinks Rosario is better than Quinonez and gave him the best possible chance. John is very refreshing in that way. He's very frank and honest about that kind of stuff. He pulls no punches. If an agent can't deal with that he can't ride for Sadler.

I know Alonso was disapointed when Richard's Kid skipped the classic to point for Dubai. Not a big shock there he's Arab owned.

Were there others?
I think those were the ones, thanks!
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I think those were the ones, thanks!
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