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10-11-2006, 07:00 PM
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Please! No Country Music!
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10-11-2006, 07:04 PM
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I mean I just got off the phone with the guy. He said a ton of horses are coming back bad, not just theirs. They are scared to run over the surface anymore. I wonder if Keeneland changed their track so it wasnt as bad as woodbines? Remember I reported a few days ago 3 or 4 had been put down, this guy said 2 of HIS have been put down. I didnt even have this guy in the equation
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10-11-2006, 07:27 PM
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The news has been rather like that regarding poly. Wonder why? Couldn't be the money could it? Nah, not that. 
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10-11-2006, 07:32 PM
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Keeneland made all the money, they have the same surface. You know they arent going to say anything bad about the track. I know Turfway told a few guys to keep their mouths shut, if they didnt like it they could leave. Thats just how it goes, eventually the real numbers will come out, and the polywonders will be left with egg on their face.
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10-11-2006, 07:44 PM
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O villain, villain, smiling, damned villain!
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10-11-2006, 08:05 PM
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10-11-2006, 08:07 PM
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10-11-2006, 08:07 PM
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10-11-2006, 10:05 PM
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10-12-2006, 12:16 PM
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I haven't heard any reports from Woodbine so I can't comment on it. I can tell you that everyone loves the track at Hollywood Park so far. I think the reports from Kentucky have been quite positive too.
With regard to Keeneland, there used to be a huge speed bias. If there is an anti-speed bias now, that's not so bad. I don't care what the bias is. As long as we know what the bias is, then we can deal with it. I don't really have an opinion one way or the other when it comes to polytrack. I can tell you that the surfaces in Southern California have been really bad for a long time now and we needed to do something. I would rather have polytrack than what we have had for the last several years. Anything is better than what we have had for the last several years. It would have probably been better if we could have put in good, new dirt tracks but I don't think anyone had confidence that the job would have been done right.
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10-12-2006, 12:19 PM
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Looks like speed's going down again at Keeneland....5/2 2nd favorite folds late in the 1st...
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10-12-2006, 12:34 PM
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Way to early to say that based on 3 Kee days that Poly is unfair to speed horses (based on only 1 winner). Last I checked Woodbine is Poly. The same Friday to Sunday cards last week at Woodbine had 8 winners out of 28 races that were 1st or 2nd and < 1/2 length from the lead after the 1st quarter.
Oh, and that was the same number of front running winners during the same Friday to Sunday days as Oak Tree, a traditionally speed favoring track.
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10-12-2006, 12:39 PM
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10-12-2006, 12:38 PM
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There's not any debate that polytrack is a different surface than dirt. When a horse runs on it for the first time, you can't expect him to necessarily run the same as he ran on dirt any more than you can expect that a horse will run the same on dirt and turf. When a horse is running on a new surface, you never know for sure that he will like it. That's fine with me as a handicapper. I take it into consideration and try to make educated guesses as to which horses will like it much in the same way that I make educated guesses as to whether horses will like any new surface. If you want to play it really safe, don't bet a horse the first time they run on it. Wait until they have had a race over it.
Anyway, all the reports I have heard from trainers have been extremely positive. As I said in another post, people out here in Southern California have been joking that this is the first thing that all the trainers here have ever agreed on. You can never get the trainers out here to agree on anything. But so far, every single trainer out here loves the polytrack. The praise has been unanimous. Someone was joking the other day that even Neil Drysdale, who complains about everything, has had no complaints so far. He loves the polytrack.
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10-12-2006, 01:58 PM
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You can look any day of the week and more horses work at So. Cali . racetracks each day than anywhere else in the nation. The trackman with dirt surface racing has control of all the factors , I cant tell you how many days the track will be one way and then all of a sudden its a diffirent way, I dont mind that they dig it up but jeez could you please add a little more water to it so it isnt so damn cuppy. The biggest bonus I see with Polytrack is that basically it takes care of itself without much human intervention, I think that its a very big key that you dont have some trackman deeming how he wants the track to be.
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10-12-2006, 02:00 PM
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That's interesting, I didn't realize that...
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10-12-2006, 02:23 PM
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The "little guys" get bumped out of their stalls when the meet shows up, but at least they get to use the track for a while.
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10-12-2006, 02:37 PM
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I know that we were having trouble keeping a lot of our horses sound at all three tracks and these horses were only in light training. We were having horses come back from an easy breeze with really puffy ankles. You don't see that on polytrack. Last edited by Rupert Pupkin : 10-12-2006 at 02:39 PM.
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