10/9 (BEL): Champagne S., Frizette S., Jamaica H. (G1's) - Page 2

RockHardTen1985 · #21 10-07-2010, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Betsy

Huh? The point that poster was making was that Stay Thirsty doesn't belong in the Juvenile, but rather in an allowance race - at least tha's how it sounded. I also never said he should run in an allowance race.

No, I think it's asinine that he's going to train up the the Juvenile off a 2 month layoff, with his last race at 7 furlongs.

I don't even think you're speaking English because what you just posted makes no sense whatsoever.

Stay Thirsty would very likely run 1-2 in this race. Who are the killers going to the Juvy? He belongs right on the path he is on.

Dahoss · #22 10-07-2010, 10:53 AM

Right into the Juvenile off of the Hopeful? No thanks. I don't like it with Boys in Tosconaova and I don't get it with this horse, who hasn't shown nearly the ability that he has hype.

NTamm1215 · #23 10-07-2010, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss

Right into the Juvenile off of the Hopeful? No thanks. I don't like it with Boys in Tosconaova and I don't get it with this horse, who hasn't shown nearly the ability that he has hype.

I'm basically praying for there to be a horse that I can be even moderately interested in for the Juvenile. I don't want any part of Uncle Mo (even if he wins by 10 on Saturday) or Boys at Tosconova.

lemoncrush · #24 10-07-2010, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I'm basically praying for there to be a horse that I can be even moderately interested in for the Juvenile. I don't want any part of Uncle Mo (even if he wins by 10 on Saturday) or Boys at Tosconova.

Boys at Toscanova will be too short of a price to play on BC day, but he'll be a deserving favorite and probably the most likely winner.
He didn't break a sweat in the Hopeful, and debuted in a G3 at Churchill and ran well. He may not be a Derby horse, but the BC Juvy distance is well within his range.

Betsy · #25 10-07-2010, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by lemoncrush

My intention was that I don't think this horse has deserved much of the attention he's gotten so far. If his handlers and pedigree suggest he's a classic distance horse, why not take your time with him, run him in an allowance race this fall, and work him into graded stakes next year around two turns if he develops as much as they all expect him too?

I think he ran very well in the Hopeful so I disagree in terms of whatever attention he's getting. I don't think he's getting a lot - especially within his own barn - but those who like him do see him as a potential Classic horse for next year. I see no reason why ST shouldn't be pointed to the Juvy - though it makes no sense to do it without a prep unless Pletcher (a) really thinks the horse can handle it and will run well and (b) they don't want to kill him as a baby, given his pedigree.

Thanks for clarifying, though!

Betsy · #26 10-07-2010, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Stay Thirsty would very likely run 1-2 in this race. Who are the killers going to the Juvy? He belongs right on the path he is on.

The path he's on is running in the Juvy without a prep race, a highly unusual move. I get that he is the 2nd stringer in his barn and I don't care that he's not running in the Champagne, but I'm sure Todd could have found another prep if he wanted to.

Betsy · #27 10-07-2010, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss

Right into the Juvenile off of the Hopeful? No thanks. I don't like it with Boys in Tosconaova and I don't get it with this horse, who hasn't shown nearly the ability that he has hype.

Some people like him, that's all and for good reason. I'm not quite sure what he's done wrong. However, where is this hype you're referring to? Uncle Mo is getting hype. Boys is getting hype. Stay Thirsty? He's not.

Sightseek · #28 10-07-2010, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss

Right into the Juvenile off of the Hopeful? No thanks. I don't like it with Boys in Tosconaova and I don't get it with this horse, who hasn't shown nearly the ability that he has hype.

We'll also have Madman Diaries going in off that kind of spacing.

Kasept · #29 10-07-2010, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I'm basically praying for there to be a horse that I can be even moderately interested in for the Juvenile. I don't want any part of Uncle Mo (even if he wins by 10 on Saturday) or Boys at Tosconova.

Rich Eng today got me to look back at Jaycito's race in the Norfolk. He did exactly what his believers said he would on the stretchout, and should only move forward on the authentic main track... But as an aside, here's an interesting poll of the Juvenile winners at Churchill and the closest last start West Coast finisher..

1988: Is It True (BEL) -- Music Merci (SA) 4th, by 12L
1991: Arazi (FRA-Longchamp) -- Bertrando (SA) 2nd, by 5L
1994: Timber Country (BEL) -- Supremo (SA), 5th, by 9L
1998: Answer Lively (KEE) -- Daring General (SA) 4th, by 6L
2000: Macho Uno (WO) -- Street Cry (SA) 3rd, by 1.5L
2006: Street Sense (KEE) -- Stormello (SA) 5th, by 15L

lemoncrush · #30 10-07-2010, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy

Some people like him, that's all and for good reason. I'm not quite sure what he's done wrong. However, where is this hype you're referring to? Uncle Mo is getting hype. Boys is getting hype. Stay Thirsty? He's not.

Because he's a Bernadini, in Pletcher's barn and has a cute name, yes..he's got a load of followers who think he's the second coming.
I'm skeptical, but maybe he'll turn out to be something special.

Dahoss · #31 10-07-2010, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy

Some people like him, that's all and for good reason. I'm not quite sure what he's done wrong. However, where is this hype you're referring to? Uncle Mo is getting hype. Boys is getting hype. Stay Thirsty? He's not.

Stay Thirsty has gotten plenty of hype on this board. You can't deny that. Something tells me if he had no connection to AP Indy you wouldn't be as high on him though.

Whatever, he'll be up the track in the Juvy with no prep IMO.

hockey2315 · #32 10-07-2010, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss

Whatever, he'll be up the track in the Juvy with no prep IMO.

+1

Betsy · #33 10-07-2010, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss

Stay Thirsty has gotten plenty of hype on this board. You can't deny that. Something tells me if he had no connection to AP Indy you wouldn't be as high on him though.

Whatever, he'll be up the track in the Juvy with no prep IMO.

First of all, I don't think he's gotten any hype on this board. Second, I don't care what you think about why I like the horse..... way to basically say that an opinion other than yours is invalid, as if the horse is crap and there's no reason for anyone to like him.

Thirdly, as much as like him and as much as I hate to agree with you, I agree with you on the last point.

Dahoss · #34 10-07-2010, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy

First of all, I don't think he's gotten any hype on this board. Second, I don't care what you think about why I like the horse..... way to basically say that an opinion other than yours is invalid, as if the horse is crap and there's no reason for anyone to like him.

I didn't say that at all. To deny he hasn't been hyped is silly. There are numerous threads about him. Everyone knows about your love of all things AP Indy.

Who said he was crap and there is no reason to like him? I don't like his chances in the Juvenile with no prep and I was less than enthused with his effort in the Hopeful.

Way to basically have a tantrum over nothing.

RockHardTen1985 · #35 10-07-2010, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I'm basically praying for there to be a horse that I can be even moderately interested in for the Juvenile. I don't want any part of Uncle Mo (even if he wins by 10 on Saturday) or Boys at Tosconova.

I agree with B@T, but UM might be a total freak show.
He is an early #1 on Joey S Derby 2011 Top 10. B@T is currently not ranked.

Betsy · #36 10-07-2010, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss

I didn't say that at all. To deny he hasn't been hyped is silly. There are numerous threads about him. Everyone knows about your love of all things AP Indy.

Who said he was crap and there is no reason to like him? I don't like his chances in the Juvenile with no prep and I was less than enthused with his effort in the Hopeful.

Way to basically have a tantrum over nothing.

There are numerous threads about him? I don't see it.

Look, we can agree to disagree on his talent - that's fine. As I said, I think it's a bonehead decision on Pletcher's part to train him up to the Juvenile, so although I love the horse, I'm not exactly expecting much in the BC

Indian Charlie · #37 10-07-2010, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I agree with B@T, but UM might be a total freak show.
He is an early #1 on Joey S Derby 2011 Top 10. B@T is currently not ranked.

I hate you.

lemoncrush · #38 10-08-2010, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I agree with B@T, but UM might be a total freak show.
He is an early #1 on Joey S Derby 2011 Top 10. B@T is currently not ranked.

So you have an Indian Charlie, with one maiden win at 6F, ranked #1 on your 2011 Derby Top 10?

Makes sense.

Indian Charlie · #39 10-08-2010, 10:46 AM

What's that supposed to mean?

lemoncrush · #40 10-08-2010, 11:00 AM

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What's that supposed to mean?

..nothing against you or your namesake.
It's just a little premature to annoint a horse who very well may be better suited to be a sprinter/miler as a legitimate Kentucky Derby candidate off one 6F maiden win.

When was the last time a Derby winner won their debut by open lengths sprinting as a 2-year old?