10/9 (BEL): Champagne S., Frizette S., Jamaica H. (G1's)

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Right into the Juvenile off of the Hopeful? No thanks. I don't like it with Boys in Tosconaova and I don't get it with this horse, who hasn't shown nearly the ability that he has hype.

I'm basically praying for there to be a horse that I can be even moderately interested in for the Juvenile. I don't want any part of Uncle Mo (even if he wins by 10 on Saturday) or Boys at Tosconova.

[lemoncrush]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I'm basically praying for there to be a horse that I can be even moderately interested in for the Juvenile. I don't want any part of Uncle Mo (even if he wins by 10 on Saturday) or Boys at Tosconova.

Boys at Toscanova will be too short of a price to play on BC day, but he'll be a deserving favorite and probably the most likely winner.
He didn't break a sweat in the Hopeful, and debuted in a G3 at Churchill and ran well. He may not be a Derby horse, but the BC Juvy distance is well within his range.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I'm basically praying for there to be a horse that I can be even moderately interested in for the Juvenile. I don't want any part of Uncle Mo (even if he wins by 10 on Saturday) or Boys at Tosconova.

Rich Eng today got me to look back at Jaycito's race in the Norfolk. He did exactly what his believers said he would on the stretchout, and should only move forward on the authentic main track... But as an aside, here's an interesting poll of the Juvenile winners at Churchill and the closest last start West Coast finisher..

1988: Is It True (BEL) -- Music Merci (SA) 4th, by 12L
1991: Arazi (FRA-Longchamp) -- Bertrando (SA) 2nd, by 5L
1994: Timber Country (BEL) -- Supremo (SA), 5th, by 9L
1998: Answer Lively (KEE) -- Daring General (SA) 4th, by 6L
2000: Macho Uno (WO) -- Street Cry (SA) 3rd, by 1.5L
2006: Street Sense (KEE) -- Stormello (SA) 5th, by 15L

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I'm basically praying for there to be a horse that I can be even moderately interested in for the Juvenile. I don't want any part of Uncle Mo (even if he wins by 10 on Saturday) or Boys at Tosconova.

I agree with B@T, but UM might be a total freak show.
He is an early #1 on Joey S Derby 2011 Top 10. B@T is currently not ranked.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I agree with B@T, but UM might be a total freak show.
He is an early #1 on Joey S Derby 2011 Top 10. B@T is currently not ranked.

I hate you.

[lemoncrush]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I agree with B@T, but UM might be a total freak show.
He is an early #1 on Joey S Derby 2011 Top 10. B@T is currently not ranked.

So you have an Indian Charlie, with one maiden win at 6F, ranked #1 on your 2011 Derby Top 10?

Makes sense.

[Indian Charlie]

What's that supposed to mean?

[lemoncrush]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

What's that supposed to mean?

..nothing against you or your namesake.
It's just a little premature to annoint a horse who very well may be better suited to be a sprinter/miler as a legitimate Kentucky Derby candidate off one 6F maiden win.

When was the last time a Derby winner won their debut by open lengths sprinting as a 2-year old?

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by lemoncrush

..nothing against you or your namesake.
It's just a little premature to annoint a horse who very well may be better suited to be a sprinter/miler as a legitimate Kentucky Derby candidate off one 6F maiden win.

When was the last time a Derby winner won their debut by open lengths sprinting as a 2-year old?

Oh, ok. For a second there, I thought I'd have to be mean to you.

The answer to your question is 2010!

J/K. Horses like this never last long, and with PG1985 getting the mount on him, he's toast.

[lemoncrush]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Oh, ok. For a second there, I thought I'd have to be mean to you.

The answer to your question is 2010!

J/K. Horses like this never last long, and with PG1985 getting the mount on him, he's toast.

Actually, I think Super Saver won his 2nd start, and it was going a mile.
The answer to my question was probably Smarty Jones. Didn't he win his debut at Philly by 6 or 7 lengths?

Of course Indian Charlies can produce classic distance horses, on both surfaces. I'm just not quite as excited about Uncle Mo's long-term potential as some people, but he's an exciting 2-year old, for sure.