BEYER: Defining Zenyatta's historical role

knickslions2 · #1 09-30-2010, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

I have not taken Andy Beyer's judgment about relative merits of horses seriously since 1989, when he declared on national TV that there was no way in Hades that Bayakoa could run on a pressured lead and hold off quality horses like Gorgeous in the BC Distaff. So I consider the source of this article and dismiss it as irrelevant. No skin off of my nose, nor Zenyatta's.

Wow let me know the next race you handicap since you must have a perfect record to say this.

GPK · #2 09-30-2010, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by knickslions2

Wow let me know the next race you handicap since you must have a perfect record to say this.

Don't hold your breath.

slotdirt · #3 09-30-2010, 02:49 PM

8,893,829 rupies that Pedigree Ann picked Empire Maker in 2003.

blackthroatedwind · #4 09-30-2010, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK

Don't hold your breath.

She's very good a day or two afterwards however.

Or a decade or two.

GPK · #5 09-30-2010, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

She's very good a day or two afterwards however.

Or a decade or two.

She's the best I've ever seen.

Indian Charlie · #6 09-30-2010, 10:16 PM

Gorgeous is one of the forgotten truly great horses of the last 25 years or so.

When she was on her game, there aren't many fillies/mares that would have beaten her.

blackthroatedwind · #7 09-30-2010, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Gorgeous is one of the forgotten truly great horses of the last 25 years or so.

When she was on her game, there aren't many fillies/mares that would have beaten her.

I was a big fan of hers as well.

Duvalier · #8 09-30-2010, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardus

I've posted this elsewhere -- and Duvalier can confirm this -- but I think that the column was well-written and well-reasoned.

Huh?

Merlinsky · #9 10-01-2010, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Gorgeous is one of the forgotten truly great horses of the last 25 years or so.

When she was on her game, there aren't many fillies/mares that would have beaten her.

During Book 1 of the Keeneland sale I kept seeing her name pop up. Her genes were well represented.

The Indomitable DrugS · #10 10-01-2010, 06:06 AM

The new leader in the clubhouse .....

Michael Manoj Tolaney (whoever he is)

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Look, Andy Beyer is sour grapes because he knows my good friend, Ashok Sinha called his bluff and disproved his precious Beyer rating system way back in 2002. The individuals who pro-rate the roughly 8 point discrepancy are printing money, ...esp. in the P-6 sequence where overlays are routine at Eastern tracks. Case in point: Sarava's 99 Beyer prior to the Belmont was in actuality a 107, that's correct, must adjust figures of horses going from G3 to G1 because serious flaw in Beyer's methodology is he penalizes class and over-rewards sprinters/raw final times. Finally, he never accounts for runaway winners at lower levels, eg - Grade 3, where Sarava was a 12-length runaway winner in his prep for the 2002 Belmont. I am glad Beyer does not have a clue............. we cashed a $142 horse in the 2002 Belmont, and the exacta w 16-1 MDO as an added bonus or ancillary benefit. How does my downgrading Andy Beyer to junk bond status........... relate to Zenyatta, well it doesn't.................... but the bottom line is the guy is routinely wrong more than he is right. Where is his MBA, PhD or degree in advanced Math?? What qualifies or his rating system as gospel? Hmmm, exactly. I freely admit I am a Zenyatta Fan, even though I needed Gio Ponti for a P5 in last year's Breeders Cup Classic, i had to play Gio Ponti because as usual, Beyer lowballed his figures. Zenyatta has never lost, can Andy Beyer say the same? I think NOT. -MT