Look Back at Saratoga Meet.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by iamthelurker

All four win the Travers on Fly Down.

Simply not true at all.

[iamthelurker]

The point is, when a furlong out on the wrong lead in a million dollar race, you at least try to get him on the right lead. There was not even an attempt to get him to switch leads, he should have won the race, theres no other way to put it.

[iamthelurker]

And ill take my time to bump this thread when Lezcano is nowhere to be found on the NY circuit in 2 years.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by iamthelurker

The point is, when a furlong out on the wrong lead in a million dollar race, you at least try to get him on the right lead. There was not even an attempt to get him to switch leads, he should have won the race, theres no other way to put it.

Your "point" is debateable. Lezcano had a dreadful meet, no denying that. But he's hardly the rider that many are making him. People go through slumps. The funny thing is I didn't see anyone saying many negative things about his riding before this meet. He's 25 years old. He has his entire career ahead of him.

We'll see where he is two years.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Your "point" is debateable. Lezcano had a dreadful meet, no denying that. But he's hardly the rider that many are making him. People go through slumps. The funny thing is I didn't see anyone saying many negative things about his riding before this meet. He's 25 years old. He has his entire career ahead of him.

We'll see where he is two years.

Its a lose lose for him after this meet. I dont totally disagree with you that he might be OK, but even if he bounces back strong he is still not better then Ramon, JV, JC, JL, GG,AG, and at least a few others... Maybe Maragh, and thats just on that Fla-NY circuit. Is he even that much better then Corny or a guy like Cohen that Todd is throwing bones 2.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Its a lose lose for him after this meet. I dont totally disagree with you that he might be OK, but even if he bounces back strong he is still not better then Ramon, JV, JC, JL, GG,AG, and at least a few others... Maybe Maragh, and thats just on that Fla-NY circuit. Is he even that much better then Corny or a guy like Cohen that Todd is throwing bones 2.

Lose lose? How so? He still rides for Zito, Chad Brown, Carlos Martin, Tom Proctor, etc. He had a bad...okay, really bad meet. No one is denying that. But to act like a 25 year old jock's career is over because of a bad meet is ridiculous.

Here are the stats for Gulfstream this past winter.

http://www.gulfstreampark.com/RACING...ll+Statistics/

Lezcano rode more winners than Velazquez, Garcia, maragh and Leparoux. He won at a rate of 18%. Leparoux was 13%.

Here are the stats for the Spring Belmont meet.

http://www.equibase.com/premium/eqbT...AT=J&STYLE=BEL

Lezcano won with 23% of his mounts and was 4th in wins despite riding many fewer horses than many of the top jocks.

Again, he had a bad meet. His career is far from over.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Lose lose? How so? He still rides for Zito, Chad Brown, Carlos Martin, Tom Proctor, etc. He had a bad...okay, really bad meet. No one is denying that. But to act like a 25 year old jock's career is over because of a bad meet is ridiculous.

Here are the stats for Gulfstream this past winter.

http://www.gulfstreampark.com/RACING...ll+Statistics/

Lezcano rode more winners than Velazquez, Garcia, maragh and Leparoux. He won at a rate of 18%. Leparoux was 13%.

Here are the stats for the Spring Belmont meet.

http://www.equibase.com/premium/eqbT...AT=J&STYLE=BEL

Lezcano won with 23% of his mounts and was 4th in wins despite riding many fewer horses than many of the top jocks.

Again, he had a bad meet. His career is far from over.

100% correct, but why bother? Dude obviously lost a wager on Fly Down and hopefully, he and the other Lezcano detractors don't ever wager on a horse he is riding again.

It was plain to see he wasn't riding well. What's so difficult about factoring that into your handicapping?

[golfer]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

100% correct, but why bother? Dude obviously lost a wager on Fly Down and hopefully, he and the other Lezcano detractors don't ever wager on a horse he is riding again.

It was plain to see he wasn't riding well. What's so difficult about factoring that into your handicapping?

Sure, and after I did that, this guy somehow channels Eddie Arcaro, or the Smashing Lad, William Buick, with the perfect ride he gave Keertana in the feature

[iamthelurker]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

100% correct, but why bother? Dude obviously lost a wager on Fly Down and hopefully, he and the other Lezcano detractors don't ever wager on a horse he is riding again.

It was plain to see he wasn't riding well. What's so difficult about factoring that into your handicapping?

You really think this is about handicapping?