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Old 08-26-2010, 08:09 PM
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Two of the July positives are against horses who placed in stakes races during the Claiming Crown, the track’s signature event put on in conjunction with the National HBPA. Trainer Jamie Ness saddled both of those horses, $70,500 Glass Slipper Stakes winner My Irish Girl and $70,500 Rapid Transit Stakes third-place finisher Max Ahead.

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Old 08-26-2010, 08:13 PM
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Ness is scheduled to be well represented at Hawthorne this Fall/Winter meeting along with a few more high profile barns.
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Old 08-26-2010, 08:17 PM
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Ness is scheduled to be well represented at Hawthorne this Fall/Winter meeting along with a few more high profile barns.
Midwest?
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Old 08-26-2010, 08:21 PM
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Old 08-26-2010, 09:05 PM
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Ness is scheduled to be well represented at Hawthorne this Fall/Winter meeting along with a few more high profile barns.
That is pretty interesting because Hawthorne is expected to announce a purse reduction, heard MSW's will be around 20k-22k
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Old 08-27-2010, 01:48 PM
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There is obviously an issue with the testing procedures in MN as these positives are basically a joke. The single biggest problem with the entire drug issue is the fact that the testing labs and comissions fail to understand or care that detection of regularly used medications (all of which these are) at minute levels simply lead to misleading the public into thinking that there were some powerful enhancers in play.

Far be it for me to defend Ness or Maker, but in this case they are probably not guilty of doing anything really wrong. As I have stated many times when you treat your horse within the guidelines and still get a positive then the problem really lies with the testing authority. The fact that there are so many positives for so many different trainers leads you to believe that the issue lies with the procedures since every med listed is commonly used. I am not naive enough to think that guys dont take advantages but I am also cognizent of the fact that the rules are basically a joke and labs compete for business by issuing positive tests.

This kind of ridiclousness from the MN commission makes the issue worse, not better and doesn't serve to deter the real drug issues, just confuses trainers, owners, vets, and fans as to what is really going on.
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Old 08-27-2010, 01:58 PM
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http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/nat...positives.aspx

These are a different story because of this sentence:
According to RCI, etodolac “is not available in the United States in a Federal Drug Administration approved equine formulation.”
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Old 08-27-2010, 08:43 PM
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Seriously, how difficult is it to develop baseline blood chemistry levels and disqualify horses that exceed those levels? Removes all of this "well he's got the new juice that they can't detect" stuff (not that it isn't warranted).

They've been doing it in Cycling ( cue TFM) for years.

Serious question, not a vet, and don't pretend to be.... but a post race blood chemistry test would indicate elevated red blood cell levels ( eliminating EPO and other cancer management drugs) CO levels, and anything out of whack with a normal thoroughbred blood chemistry.

Would eliminate the need to figure out "How" they're cheating and hold them accountable for their monster "move ups"... If they tested at a level prior to a trainer getting them and performance enhancing levels are indicated after a move up, you get suspended - regardless of what you used...
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Old 08-27-2010, 08:50 PM
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Seriously, how difficult is it to develop baseline blood chemistry levels and disqualify horses that exceed those levels? Removes all of this "well he's got the new juice that they can't detect" stuff (not that it isn't warranted).

They've been doing it in Cycling ( cue TFM) for years.

Serious question, not a vet, and don't pretend to be.... but a post race blood chemistry test would indicate elevated red blood cell levels ( eliminating EPO and other cancer management drugs) CO levels, and anything out of whack with a normal thoroughbred blood chemistry.

Would eliminate the need to figure out "How" they're cheating and hold them accountable for their monster "move ups"... If they tested at a level prior to a trainer getting them and performance enhancing levels are indicated after a move up, you get suspended - regardless of what you used...
Good idea in theory, but the cost is what will make it never happen.
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Old 08-28-2010, 01:26 PM
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Seriously, how difficult is it to develop baseline blood chemistry levels and disqualify horses that exceed those levels? Removes all of this "well he's got the new juice that they can't detect" stuff (not that it isn't warranted).

They've been doing it in Cycling ( cue TFM) for years.

Serious question, not a vet, and don't pretend to be.... but a post race blood chemistry test would indicate elevated red blood cell levels ( eliminating EPO and other cancer management drugs) CO levels, and anything out of whack with a normal thoroughbred blood chemistry.

Would eliminate the need to figure out "How" they're cheating and hold them accountable for their monster "move ups"... If they tested at a level prior to a trainer getting them and performance enhancing levels are indicated after a move up, you get suspended - regardless of what you used...
While what you are talking about would help with blood doping in theory, I seem to recall that there was a reason why it wasn't practical to do in horses. I will try to find out. Of course that would not help a bit in the Canterbury situation where none of the meds found was a blood doping agent.
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Old 08-26-2010, 08:22 PM
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Two of the July positives are against horses who placed in stakes races during the Claiming Crown, the track’s signature event put on in conjunction with the National HBPA. Trainer Jamie Ness saddled both of those horses, $70,500 Glass Slipper Stakes winner My Irish Girl and $70,500 Rapid Transit Stakes third-place finisher Max Ahead.

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We all "know" the only cheaters are in NY
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Old 08-26-2010, 08:42 PM
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What a surprise, Ness and Maker make the list.
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Old 08-27-2010, 05:29 PM
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We all "know" the only cheaters are in NY
NYHater lol hahahahaaa you're amazing

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