Blind Luck

RockHardTen1985 · #1 08-23-2010, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

"You can't ship a horse across the country multiple times and expect them to perform well and blah blah blah blah blah" - Zentologists, 2010

Joseph this is just silly. Blind Luck is ok at best, and you know it. Lets all stop bashing Z for her pathetic connections.

letswastemoney · #2 08-23-2010, 05:50 PM

Going for 5 for 5 when shipping...

"Blind Luck, Havre de Grace and Devil May Care – the first, second and fourth-place finishers from the Alabama – are all under consideration for the Cotillion."

http://drf.com/news/rail-trip-likely-out-woodward

ateamstupid · #3 08-23-2010, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Joseph this is just silly. Blind Luck is ok at best, and you know it. Lets all stop bashing Z for her pathetic connections.

Other than Rachel and Rags, name me a better three-year-old filly the last five years.

And if she's just OK, how come she's able to ship across the Rockies so many times and win? Surely that takes a superhorse's ability.

Clip-Clop · #4 08-23-2010, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Other than Rachel and Rags, name me a better three-year-old filly the last five years.

And if she's just OK, how come she's able to ship across the Rockies so many times and win? Surely that takes a superhorse's ability.

She will turn out better than Rags.

ateamstupid · #5 08-23-2010, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

She will turn out better than Rags.

Rags is a tough horse to judge, considering how quickly her career ended. I really would've loved to see what she could do at four.

Indian Charlie · #6 08-23-2010, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

She will turn out better than Rags.

OMG

Indian Charlie · #7 08-23-2010, 11:02 PM

I firmly believe that the 1-2 finishers from the Acorn a couple of years ago, Zaftig and a smartly ridden Indian Blessing, would have absolutely slaughtered Blind Luck at any distance up to 9f.

Rags would have beaten her from any distance ranging from 6f to 20f.

Proud Spell would have handled BL as well.

Blind Luck, to me, is much like an Octave, just in a really weak year.

RockHardTen1985 · #8 08-24-2010, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I firmly believe that the 1-2 finishers from the Acorn a couple of years ago, Zaftig and a smartly ridden Indian Blessing, would have absolutely slaughtered Blind Luck at any distance up to 9f.

Rags would have beaten her from any distance ranging from 6f to 20f.

Proud Spell would have handled BL as well.

Blind Luck, to me, is much like an Octave, just in a really weak year.

I agree Indian Blessing was a monster.

NTamm1215 · #9 08-24-2010, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I firmly believe that the 1-2 finishers from the Acorn a couple of years ago, Zaftig and a smartly ridden Indian Blessing, would have absolutely slaughtered Blind Luck at any distance up to 9f.

Rags would have beaten her from any distance ranging from 6f to 20f.

Proud Spell would have handled BL as well.

Blind Luck, to me, is much like an Octave, just in a really weak year.

What's interesting to me about these internet head-to-head discussions, and I'm not specifically saying you did it here, is that horses are pitted against one another and the one from yesteryear is used solely based on one, maybe two races. How else has Candy Ride become such an internet all-time great sensation?

There's also a big difference between Blind Luck and Octave. Blind Luck knows how to win.

NT

Indian Charlie · #10 08-24-2010, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

What's interesting to me about these internet head-to-head discussions, and I'm not specifically saying you did it here, is that horses are pitted against one another and the one from yesteryear is used solely based on one, maybe two races. How else has Candy Ride become such an internet all-time great sensation?

There's also a big difference between Blind Luck and Octave. Blind Luck knows how to win.

NT

Of course I did it here. Zaftig only ran about what, six times maybe?

That being said, she was a better horse than Blind Luck, based on her ability level and how fast she was. She smoked Indian Blessing, who ran much faster than Blind Luck has, many times.

Every race from Candy Ride was spectacular.

As for Octave. I think her and Blind Luck are about even, but definitely Blind Luck is a gamer horse.

Though who knows what Octave would have done in this crop.

Clip-Clop · #11 08-24-2010, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I firmly believe that the 1-2 finishers from the Acorn a couple of years ago, Zaftig and a smartly ridden Indian Blessing, would have absolutely slaughtered Blind Luck at any distance up to 9f.

Rags would have beaten her from any distance ranging from 6f to 20f.

Proud Spell would have handled BL as well.

Blind Luck, to me, is much like an Octave, just in a really weak year.

I think this will turn out to be wrong. Time will tell though.
Her final quarter on Saturday was fast enough to believe she has something going on. Still young, give her some time.

hoovesupsideyourhead · #12 08-25-2010, 08:02 AM

[quote=Indian Charlie;687042]I firmly believe that the 1-2 finishers from the Acorn a couple of years ago, Zaftig and a smartly ridden Indian Blessing, would have absolutely slaughtered Blind Luck at any distance up to 9f.

zaftig was a monster too bad the really good ones get hurt..looking for her babys..

Clip-Clop · #13 08-24-2010, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

OMG

Fact. Not just because R2R retired early either. This horse is something special. Particularly at a mile and a quarter.

Indian Charlie · #14 08-24-2010, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Fact. Not just because R2R retired early either. This horse is something special. Particularly at a mile and a quarter.

Do you really believe Blind Luck could beat, let alone be competitive with, a Curlin type of horse?

Clip-Clop · #15 08-24-2010, 11:37 AM

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Do you really believe Blind Luck could beat, let alone be competitive with, a Curlin type of horse?

Maybe...maybe

With 5 weeks rest and it being his 3rd start in that same time period after being all out to win against Street Sense three weeks earlier. It would be possible for her to compete. She is game as hell.

King Glorious · #16 08-27-2010, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

She will turn out better than Rags.

I have never thought that Rags to Riches gets the credit she deserves. She didn't have the flash of Rachel and didn't have the undefeated record that Zenyatta has and didn't put up the dazzling figures in her wins. But she did win five of seven races and was injured in the last one. Four grade ones in those seven races and she did beat the boys in a Classic. Seems like everyone remembers Winning Colors and Rachel doing it but forget that Rags did it too. And even though she didn't beat older males like Rachel did, she did beat two boys in her Belmont that both beat older males later in the year, suggesting that perhaps she could have done so too. And while everyone gives Rachel extra credit for beating the boys three times and Zenyatta was the first female to win the BC Classic, in the four races combined that those two won against males, none of them beat a horse as good as Curlin. People forget that he was named HOY in the year that she beat him and even though he was a mere 3yo like she was, I'll take that, especially the way she beat him by outgaming him in the lane, over beating Macho Again. Just because Macho Again was older didn't make him better. Hell, didn't every 3yo in the country beat Macho Again last year? I know Summer Bird and Quality Road got him in NY and then Blame and Misremembered got him in Kentucky. Rags is probably one of the more underrated horses in the past 10 years.

RockHardTen1985 · #17 08-23-2010, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Other than Rachel and Rags, name me a better three-year-old filly the last five years.

And if she's just OK, how come she's able to ship across the Rockies so many times and win? Surely that takes a superhorse's ability.

Dude your 2 funny.... A few weeks back it was not about accomplishments.... Remember that? When I kept bringing up G1 wins? Thats all this gal has going for her, because shes slow as hell. The stretch run of the Bama was not pretty to watch IMO, they all looked to be laboring. I wont aruge with you about the past 5 years, because the entire game has been down, and even you will agree with that. She is up there on accomplishments. Lets be realistic, at 9f even a filly like Flashing from last year is competitive with this gal. You cant have it both ways, when I was talking about the Grade 1 wins you totally bashed me, where is her fast race? Her 104 early on this year, thats it, and if a 104 is fast then that again is a product of the horses being slower.
BTW... I would take Proud Spell and Music Note over Blind Luck.

hockey2315 · #18 08-23-2010, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Dude your 2 funny.... A few weeks back it was not about accomplishments.... Remember that? When I kept bringing up G1 wins? Thats all this gal has going for her, because shes slow as hell. The stretch run of the Bama was not pretty to watch IMO, they all looked to be laboring. I wont aruge with you about the past 5 years, because the entire game has been down, and even you will agree with that. She is up there on accomplishments. Lets be realistic, at 9f even a filly like Flashing from last year is competitive with this gal. You cant have it both ways, when I was talking about the Grade 1 wins you totally bashed me, where is her fast race? Her 104 early on this year, thats it, and if a 104 is fast then that again is a product of the horses being slower.
BTW... I would take Proud Spell and Music Note over Blind Luck.

Easy there. . .

RockHardTen1985 · #19 08-23-2010, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

Easy there. . .

I dont think its that far fetched. Going 9 furlongs of course.

Danzig · #20 08-23-2010, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Dude your 2 funny.... A few weeks back it was not about accomplishments.... Remember that? When I kept bringing up G1 wins? Thats all this gal has going for her, because shes slow as hell. The stretch run of the Bama was not pretty to watch IMO, they all looked to be laboring. I wont aruge with you about the past 5 years, because the entire game has been down, and even you will agree with that. She is up there on accomplishments. Lets be realistic, at 9f even a filly like Flashing from last year is competitive with this gal. You cant have it both ways, when I was talking about the Grade 1 wins you totally bashed me, where is her fast race? Her 104 early on this year, thats it, and if a 104 is fast then that again is a product of the horses being slower.
BTW... I would take Proud Spell and Music Note over Blind Luck.

i think the last five years has been very kind to us in the distaff division. i think devil may care is good, but blind luck obviously is better at the 'bama distance.
hard to say of course where blind luck will stack up historically, since she's not done-but she's better than you're giving her credit for. shocking. you seem to be all over the place when it comes to judging horses.