Blind Luck

[ateamstupid]

"You can't ship a horse across the country multiple times and expect them to perform well and blah blah blah blah blah" - Zentologists, 2010

[PSH]

Good to see a local NoCal trainer make good.
Jerry is a hard working, clean (appears to be) trainer who has dominated over the years at Golden Gate and Bay Meadows and has now become a fixture down in SO Cal. He is not afraid to ship his good horses to wherever to compete and has a fine record in shipping the good horses to win major stake races.....

PSH

[westcoastinvader]

Originally Posted by PSH

Good to see a local NoCal trainer make good.
Jerry is a hard working, clean (appears to be) trainer who has dominated over the years at Golden Gate and Bay Meadows and has now become a fixture down in SO Cal. He is not afraid to ship his good horses to wherever to compete and has a fine record in shipping the good horses to win major stake races.....

PSH

Yep, I'm a big Hollendorfer fan. Came to California from the dark shadows of Northeastern Ohio's Thistledown when he was in his early 20's.

Self made guy who started as a groom at Bay Meadows way back.

Two of my most enjoyable days of racing attendance in my life were at Del Mar a few seasons ago. Jerry Hollendorfer did the late morning track side handicapping Q&A on Saturday, and Andy Beyer did the same on Sunday.

Obviously Hollendorfer horses get bet down, and he's positioned himself to get good stock against the competition.

But to the best of my knowledge, no one just "gave it" to him.

It's a common sight to see him as the only person in the paddock with his horse, and he handles the whole regimen solo. Blue collar guy, I believe.

[ateamstupid]

Zaftig is another horse I wish didn't have such a short career. She could've been a real beast.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Zaftig is another horse I wish didn't have such a short career. She could've been a real beast.

Yep.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Zaftig is another horse I wish didn't have such a short career. She could've been a real beast.

Hystericalady was sensational in winning the Hollywood Oaks as a 3yo by a pole in 2006. Got a career best 110 Beyer in the win - but than she got hurt in her next race.

When she came back the following year she got back to form quickly. I remember posting this in an older thread.



Hystericalady was a classic "what could have been" horse - if she never got hurt as a 3yo and synthetic tracks were never invented.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

"You can't ship a horse across the country multiple times and expect them to perform well and blah blah blah blah blah" - Zentologists, 2010

Joseph this is just silly. Blind Luck is ok at best, and you know it. Lets all stop bashing Z for her pathetic connections.

[letswastemoney]

Going for 5 for 5 when shipping...

"Blind Luck, Havre de Grace and Devil May Care – the first, second and fourth-place finishers from the Alabama – are all under consideration for the Cotillion."

http://drf.com/news/rail-trip-likely-out-woodward

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Joseph this is just silly. Blind Luck is ok at best, and you know it. Lets all stop bashing Z for her pathetic connections.

Other than Rachel and Rags, name me a better three-year-old filly the last five years.

And if she's just OK, how come she's able to ship across the Rockies so many times and win? Surely that takes a superhorse's ability.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Other than Rachel and Rags, name me a better three-year-old filly the last five years.

And if she's just OK, how come she's able to ship across the Rockies so many times and win? Surely that takes a superhorse's ability.

She will turn out better than Rags.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

She will turn out better than Rags.

Rags is a tough horse to judge, considering how quickly her career ended. I really would've loved to see what she could do at four.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

She will turn out better than Rags.

OMG

[Indian Charlie]

I firmly believe that the 1-2 finishers from the Acorn a couple of years ago, Zaftig and a smartly ridden Indian Blessing, would have absolutely slaughtered Blind Luck at any distance up to 9f.

Rags would have beaten her from any distance ranging from 6f to 20f.

Proud Spell would have handled BL as well.

Blind Luck, to me, is much like an Octave, just in a really weak year.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I firmly believe that the 1-2 finishers from the Acorn a couple of years ago, Zaftig and a smartly ridden Indian Blessing, would have absolutely slaughtered Blind Luck at any distance up to 9f.

Rags would have beaten her from any distance ranging from 6f to 20f.

Proud Spell would have handled BL as well.

Blind Luck, to me, is much like an Octave, just in a really weak year.

I agree Indian Blessing was a monster.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I firmly believe that the 1-2 finishers from the Acorn a couple of years ago, Zaftig and a smartly ridden Indian Blessing, would have absolutely slaughtered Blind Luck at any distance up to 9f.

Rags would have beaten her from any distance ranging from 6f to 20f.

Proud Spell would have handled BL as well.

Blind Luck, to me, is much like an Octave, just in a really weak year.

What's interesting to me about these internet head-to-head discussions, and I'm not specifically saying you did it here, is that horses are pitted against one another and the one from yesteryear is used solely based on one, maybe two races. How else has Candy Ride become such an internet all-time great sensation?

There's also a big difference between Blind Luck and Octave. Blind Luck knows how to win.

NT

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I firmly believe that the 1-2 finishers from the Acorn a couple of years ago, Zaftig and a smartly ridden Indian Blessing, would have absolutely slaughtered Blind Luck at any distance up to 9f.

Rags would have beaten her from any distance ranging from 6f to 20f.

Proud Spell would have handled BL as well.

Blind Luck, to me, is much like an Octave, just in a really weak year.

I think this will turn out to be wrong. Time will tell though.
Her final quarter on Saturday was fast enough to believe she has something going on. Still young, give her some time.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

[quote=Indian Charlie;687042]I firmly believe that the 1-2 finishers from the Acorn a couple of years ago, Zaftig and a smartly ridden Indian Blessing, would have absolutely slaughtered Blind Luck at any distance up to 9f.

zaftig was a monster too bad the really good ones get hurt..looking for her babys..

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

OMG

Fact. Not just because R2R retired early either. This horse is something special. Particularly at a mile and a quarter.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Fact. Not just because R2R retired early either. This horse is something special. Particularly at a mile and a quarter.

Do you really believe Blind Luck could beat, let alone be competitive with, a Curlin type of horse?

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

She will turn out better than Rags.

I have never thought that Rags to Riches gets the credit she deserves. She didn't have the flash of Rachel and didn't have the undefeated record that Zenyatta has and didn't put up the dazzling figures in her wins. But she did win five of seven races and was injured in the last one. Four grade ones in those seven races and she did beat the boys in a Classic. Seems like everyone remembers Winning Colors and Rachel doing it but forget that Rags did it too. And even though she didn't beat older males like Rachel did, she did beat two boys in her Belmont that both beat older males later in the year, suggesting that perhaps she could have done so too. And while everyone gives Rachel extra credit for beating the boys three times and Zenyatta was the first female to win the BC Classic, in the four races combined that those two won against males, none of them beat a horse as good as Curlin. People forget that he was named HOY in the year that she beat him and even though he was a mere 3yo like she was, I'll take that, especially the way she beat him by outgaming him in the lane, over beating Macho Again. Just because Macho Again was older didn't make him better. Hell, didn't every 3yo in the country beat Macho Again last year? I know Summer Bird and Quality Road got him in NY and then Blame and Misremembered got him in Kentucky. Rags is probably one of the more underrated horses in the past 10 years.