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[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Gosh, Doug, you seem to forget that Zenyatta brings out the best in her rivals. Remember when we were led to believe that Floating Heart ran a career best race when 3rd in the Santa Margarita? Yeah, that's the filly who finished 4th in a N3X yesterday at Saratoga and got an 80 Beyer.

NT

She does.

I get that the way her silly exhibition races are run bring out the worst in her - and don't do justice to how much better she is than the laughable collection of tomato cans she's been edging out .. I don't get the figure makers need to inflate her figure though .. as it, in turn, unnecessarily rewards the well beaten ones.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

If you guys don't think that plenty of horses run to their competition, then you guys are hopeless.

If you can't understand that she isn't winning by more than the margins she is because of pace and trip issues .. you're hopeless and borderline retarded.

If you ran the Clement Hirsch - and removed Zenyatta from the race - the pace would have been a hell of a lot more contested as the riders wouldn't have all been trying to turn the race into a perverted 2.5 furlong sprint that was a disgraceful eyesore to watch.

Yes, in a truly run race, Zenyatta would have won the Hirsch by a significant margin (no less than 3 lengths - possibly as many as 6 or 7 if Dance to My Tune and Rinterval really knocked heads and softened each other up)

Normally - I would call anyone who tries to make a case of running to competition by comparing morning workouts with Grade 1 stakes races a complete imbecile ... but yeah, that's pretty much what all of her stakes wins this year save the Vanity have been .. glorified paid morning workouts.

[randallscott35]

Like flushing 62k down the toilet.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

If you can't understand that she isn't winning by more than the margins she is because of pace and trip issues .. you're hopeless and borderline retarded.

If you ran the Clement Hirsch - and removed Zenyatta from the race - the pace would have been a hell of a lot more contested as the riders wouldn't have all been trying to turn the race into a perverted 2.5 furlong sprint that was a disgraceful eyesore to watch.

Yes, in a truly run race, Zenyatta would have won the Hirsch by a significant margin (no less than 3 lengths - possibly as many as 6 or 7 if Dance to My Tune and Rinterval really knocked heads and softened each other up)

Normally - I would call anyone who tries to make a case of running to competition by comparing morning workouts with Grade 1 stakes races a complete imbecile ... but yeah, that's pretty much what all of her stakes wins this year save the Vanity have been .. glorified paid morning workouts.

That is exactly the point. That is why it's silly for people to measure how good she is based on her final times and winning margins.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

That is exactly the point. That is why it's silly for people to measure how good she is based on her final times and winning margins.

Let me know when she doesn't face cheap claimers or wildly overrated turf horses that are running on synthetics.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Let me know when she doesn't face cheap claimers or wildly overrated turf horses that are running on synthetics.

How overrated could Gio Ponti be? He's won five Grade I stakes races. Any horse that's won 5 grade I races has got to be a pretty good horse.

And we've seen time and time again that most of these turf horses can run well on synthetic tracks, so I don't think you can say that Gio Ponti isn't good on synthetic tracks.

[letswastemoney]

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

How overrated could Gio Ponti be? He's won five Grade I stakes races. Any horse that's won 5 grade I races has got to be a pretty good horse.

And we've seen time and time again that most of these turf horses can run well on synthetic tracks, so I don't think you can say that Gio Ponti isn't good on synthetic tracks.

The horse's she beat in the classic were just awful, only 2 that have come back to race in 2010 have yet to win a grade 1. Twice Over, Awesome Gem, Rip Van Winkle, Gio Ponti have all come back to win grade 1's this year. Which translates into a fat 67% of the horses she has run against in the Classic that are still running today have won grade 1 wins thus far. Yep it's brutal.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by CSC

The horse's she beat in the classic were just awful, only 2 that have come back to race in 2010 have yet to win a grade 1. Twice Over, Awesome Gem, Rip Van Winkle, Gio Ponti have all come back to win grade 1's this year. Which translates into a fat 67% of the horses she has run against in the Classic that are still running today have won grade 1 wins thus far. Yep it's brutal.

Great, 3 turf horses and the ancient grinder Awesome Gem.

It was nice to see Gio Ponti finally win a stretch duel for a change in his Grade 1 ... even though the 2nd place finisher was defeated in a race he was claimed for 35K out of last time out.



Yeah, claim a New York bred for 35K, watch it get beat, enter in a Grade 1 stakes next out and almost win. Good plan. Props to trainer Naipual Chatterpaul for having the brains to realize the turf horses here suck balls.

Rip Van Winkle was on the fence to even run in the Classic because of a foot issue. He did run - and ran like an utter cripple .. he beat almost no one and even Mine That Bird finished a huge margin in front of him ... the same MTB that ran dead last over the same track in the BC Juvie the prior year and was later soundly crushed by Gitano Hernando .. some phony from Europe with a Latino Prison sounding name who made a mockery of the Goodwood Stakes field.

Awesome Gem came East and ran on dirt - he got smoked at Charles Town and smoked at Lone Star

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by CSC

The horse's she beat in the classic were just awful, only 2 that have come back to race in 2010 have yet to win a grade 1. Twice Over, Awesome Gem, Rip Van Winkle, Gio Ponti have all come back to win grade 1's this year. Which translates into a fat 67% of the horses she has run against in the Classic that are still running today have won grade 1 wins thus far. Yep it's brutal.

Holy cow you are dumb.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by CSC

The horse's she beat in the classic were just awful, only 2 that have come back to race in 2010 have yet to win a grade 1. Twice Over, Awesome Gem, Rip Van Winkle, Gio Ponti have all come back to win grade 1's this year. Which translates into a fat 67% of the horses she has run against in the Classic that are still running today have won grade 1 wins thus far. Yep it's brutal.

Imagine that, Rip, Gio Ponti and Twice Over won GIs on their preferred surface this year! Since when has 4 of 7 equaled 67%?

NT

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by CSC

The horse's she beat in the classic were just awful, only 2 that have come back to race in 2010 have yet to win a grade 1. Twice Over, Awesome Gem, Rip Van Winkle, Gio Ponti have all come back to win grade 1's this year. Which translates into a fat 67% of the horses she has run against in the Classic that are still running today have won grade 1 wins thus far. Yep it's brutal.

That's not important unless every horse in the field comes back to win a Grade I and even that's not imprtant unless each Grade I is a tough Grade I. I can't belive you didn't know that. And Gio Ponti's Grade I does not mean anything since he beat a claimer. Never mind Gio Ponti's other four Grade I wins last year. He's obviously not a very goood horse despite the fact that he's won five Grade 1's.