12 way shake for Made For Magic ($62,500)

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

After running 6th beaten 8.25 lengths to Zenyatta and running a phony 79 Beyer two weeks ago ... Made For Magic was in for a 62.5K tag yesterday in an opt claimer at Del Mar.

She ran 5th beaten 9.25 lengths as the laughable 6/5 favorite this time. Her Beyer will surely come back in the mid to high 60's .. about where it should have been for her last race.

They had 12 claims in for her.

She's been the second horse to run back from the "Grade 1" Clement Hirsch - Spring Style (4th in the Hirsch) was dead last in a field of 7 behind Wasted Tears last weekend.

It will be interesting to see if Rinterval tries Zenyatta again in the Zenyatta Stakes .. or if she ships back to Presque Isle for the Masters Stakes - on a track where she was smoked by a subsequent 5K claimer last summer.

Gosh, Doug, you seem to forget that Zenyatta brings out the best in her rivals. Remember when we were led to believe that Floating Heart ran a career best race when 3rd in the Santa Margarita? Yeah, that's the filly who finished 4th in a N3X yesterday at Saratoga and got an 80 Beyer.

NT

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Gosh, Doug, you seem to forget that Zenyatta brings out the best in her rivals. Remember when we were led to believe that Floating Heart ran a career best race when 3rd in the Santa Margarita? Yeah, that's the filly who finished 4th in a N3X yesterday at Saratoga and got an 80 Beyer.

NT

She does.

I get that the way her silly exhibition races are run bring out the worst in her - and don't do justice to how much better she is than the laughable collection of tomato cans she's been edging out .. I don't get the figure makers need to inflate her figure though .. as it, in turn, unnecessarily rewards the well beaten ones.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

If you guys don't think that plenty of horses run to their competition, then you guys are hopeless.

If you can't understand that she isn't winning by more than the margins she is because of pace and trip issues .. you're hopeless and borderline retarded.

If you ran the Clement Hirsch - and removed Zenyatta from the race - the pace would have been a hell of a lot more contested as the riders wouldn't have all been trying to turn the race into a perverted 2.5 furlong sprint that was a disgraceful eyesore to watch.

Yes, in a truly run race, Zenyatta would have won the Hirsch by a significant margin (no less than 3 lengths - possibly as many as 6 or 7 if Dance to My Tune and Rinterval really knocked heads and softened each other up)

Normally - I would call anyone who tries to make a case of running to competition by comparing morning workouts with Grade 1 stakes races a complete imbecile ... but yeah, that's pretty much what all of her stakes wins this year save the Vanity have been .. glorified paid morning workouts.

[randallscott35]

Like flushing 62k down the toilet.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

If you can't understand that she isn't winning by more than the margins she is because of pace and trip issues .. you're hopeless and borderline retarded.

If you ran the Clement Hirsch - and removed Zenyatta from the race - the pace would have been a hell of a lot more contested as the riders wouldn't have all been trying to turn the race into a perverted 2.5 furlong sprint that was a disgraceful eyesore to watch.

Yes, in a truly run race, Zenyatta would have won the Hirsch by a significant margin (no less than 3 lengths - possibly as many as 6 or 7 if Dance to My Tune and Rinterval really knocked heads and softened each other up)

Normally - I would call anyone who tries to make a case of running to competition by comparing morning workouts with Grade 1 stakes races a complete imbecile ... but yeah, that's pretty much what all of her stakes wins this year save the Vanity have been .. glorified paid morning workouts.

That is exactly the point. That is why it's silly for people to measure how good she is based on her final times and winning margins.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

That is exactly the point. That is why it's silly for people to measure how good she is based on her final times and winning margins.

Let me know when she doesn't face cheap claimers or wildly overrated turf horses that are running on synthetics.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Let me know when she doesn't face cheap claimers or wildly overrated turf horses that are running on synthetics.

How overrated could Gio Ponti be? He's won five Grade I stakes races. Any horse that's won 5 grade I races has got to be a pretty good horse.

And we've seen time and time again that most of these turf horses can run well on synthetic tracks, so I don't think you can say that Gio Ponti isn't good on synthetic tracks.

[letswastemoney]

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

How overrated could Gio Ponti be? He's won five Grade I stakes races. Any horse that's won 5 grade I races has got to be a pretty good horse.

And we've seen time and time again that most of these turf horses can run well on synthetic tracks, so I don't think you can say that Gio Ponti isn't good on synthetic tracks.

The horse's she beat in the classic were just awful, only 2 that have come back to race in 2010 have yet to win a grade 1. Twice Over, Awesome Gem, Rip Van Winkle, Gio Ponti have all come back to win grade 1's this year. Which translates into a fat 67% of the horses she has run against in the Classic that are still running today have won grade 1 wins thus far. Yep it's brutal.