8/21 (AP): International Festival of Racing

miraja2 · #1 08-17-2010, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

This looks miserable.

So according to you:

last week's Sword Dancer was "horrible."
Kantharos "sucks."
and this trio of races is "miserable."

It might be time for you to find a new hobby my friend.

Sightseek · #2 08-17-2010, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

So according to you:

last week's Sword Dancer was "horrible."
Kantharos "sucks."
and this trio of races is "miserable."

It might be time for you to find a new hobby my friend.

Honestly though, don't you think the races are a bit disappointing this year?

miraja2 · #3 08-17-2010, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek

Honestly though, don't you think the races are a bit disappointing this year?

Certainly they aren't the best races in the history of Arlington's signature day, but I wouldn't call them "miserable." I think the big Paddy-Workin showdown in the Secretariat makes that race interesting. The Beverly D is a highly competetive race. The Million has the division leader and several intriguing spoilers coming off of very good prep races.
Again, nobody is going to confuse any of these races with the 1978 JCGC, but they aren't bad.

Clip-Clop · #4 08-17-2010, 02:59 PM

I really hope Ave is 5-1

hockey2315 · #5 08-17-2010, 03:16 PM

Were these really great races last year? They look semi-bettable, but who really knows w/o PP's.

eajinabi · #6 08-17-2010, 03:29 PM

Eclair De Lune looks very intruiging. Came a game second to Tuscan Evening (RIP) last out and McCanaly was very high on this horse from the start and him shipping out of cali is very rare.

The Indomitable DrugS · #7 08-17-2010, 03:36 PM

I actually think these three races are all pretty interesting races - and atleast two of them should ultimately be good betting races.

CSC · #8 08-17-2010, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

I really hope Ave is 5-1

I hope they bet her, though I like Attfield as a trainer, his career record in open grade 1's would make you want to rush to the windows to bet against him.

NTamm1215 · #9 08-17-2010, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC

I hope they bet her, though I like Attfield as a trainer, his career record in open grade 1's would make you want to rush to the windows to bet against him.

So Attfield is 0 for his last 17 in GI races. He also has a positive ROI on the turf over the last five years by a large margin. 98-526 with an ROI of $2.41, that's phenomenal with that kind of sample size.

NT

CSC · #10 08-17-2010, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

So Attfield is 0 for his last 17 in GI races. He also has a positive ROI on the turf over the last five years by a large margin. 98-526 with an ROI of $2.41, that's phenomenal with that kind of sample size.

NT

Was Alydeed his last grade 1 winner? I remember Talkin Man winning the Wood Memorial but I'm pretty sure it wasn't a grade 1 then. He does well with what he has, no argument there, but his horses almost always seem to be short of grade 1 caliber.

Clip-Clop · #11 08-17-2010, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

So Attfield is 0 for his last 17 in GI races. He also has a positive ROI on the turf over the last five years by a large margin. 98-526 with an ROI of $2.41, that's phenomenal with that kind of sample size.

NT

His numbers in these races are not great, I get that. Just thinking the horse will run well, like Ramon too. I will be betting her, for sure. Not enough to affect the odds though.

Sightseek · #12 08-17-2010, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

Certainly they aren't the best races in the history of Arlington's signature day, but I wouldn't call them "miserable." I think the big Paddy-Workin showdown in the Secretariat makes that race interesting. The Beverly D is a highly competetive race. The Million has the division leader and several intriguing spoilers coming off of very good prep races.
Again, nobody is going to confuse any of these races with the 1978 JCGC, but they aren't bad.

I guess if you're speaking relatively to what is running this year..

(what makes you think the Paddy - Hops showdown is going to be any different than their meeting at CNL?)

hockey2315 · #13 08-17-2010, 03:54 PM

Paddy isn't unbeatable, but there's no chance that Working for Hops beats him in a fairly run race.

RockHardTen1985 · #14 08-17-2010, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

Paddy isn't unbeatable, but there's no chance that Working for Hops beats him in a fairly run race.

So then who beats him? Or is he unbeatable in this spot?

hockey2315 · #15 08-17-2010, 03:55 PM

I don't know much about that euro, so I'll have to wait for the PP's on him. The 2 is semi-live at a price.

Scav · #16 08-17-2010, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

So then who beats him? Or is he unbeatable in this spot?

The Irish one says Wigmore Hall is gonna run huge. It screws up my plans because that makes him an auto use for me, two deep, Wigmore Hall and Paddy O Prado

Scav · #17 08-17-2010, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

Paddy isn't unbeatable, but there's no chance that Working for Hops beats him in a fairly run race.

Hops is gonna struggle to even run third in this race. All eyes, literally, will be on him.

RockHardTen1985 · #18 08-17-2010, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

So according to you:

last week's Sword Dancer was "horrible."
Kantharos "sucks."
and this trio of races is "miserable."

It might be time for you to find a new hobby my friend.

Maybe they are good betting races, but the quality is not there... IMO.

The Sword Dancer cast would be destroyed by a third string Euro. Can you argue that? When is the last time Telling won? I bet Al Khali, what does he do everytime he steps up? Sure he can win an allowance race....

miraja2 · #19 08-17-2010, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Maybe they are good betting races, but the quality is not there... IMO.

The Sword Dancer cast would be destroyed by a third string Euro. Can you argue that? When is the last time Telling won? I bet Al Khali, what does he do everytime he steps up? Sure he can win an allowance race....

The Sword Dancer and the Million have been splitting up the older male turf division for years. Given the usual lack of depth in that division, I honestly don't know that it is reasonable to expect much more. When you have two big G1 races in the same division one week apart, you simply aren't going to get two full fields of outstanding horses. I thought the Sword Dancer field was fine given that fact, as I explained to you on that thread.

SniperSB23 · #20 08-17-2010, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

The Sword Dancer and the Million have been splitting up the older male turf division for years. Given the usual lack of depth in that division, I honestly don't know that it is reasonable to expect much more. When you have two big G1 races in the same division one week apart, you simply aren't going to get two full fields of outstanding horses. I thought the Sword Dancer field was fine given that fact, as I explained to you on that thread.

Plus the Hall of Fame Stakes is taking horses from the Secretariat and the Beverly is competing for horses with the Diana.