What Is The Fairest Turf Course?

tiggerv · #1 08-10-2010, 09:31 PM

Average field size, number of races at distance, wire-to-wire win percentage and win percentage of horses sitting 1st, 2nd or 3rd at first call. Broken out by distance and firm/wet turf.

365 Day Stats (Not just current meet)

Arlington

Colonial

Scav · #2 08-10-2010, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by tiggerv

Average field size, number of races at distance, wire-to-wire win percentage and win percentage of horses sitting 1st, 2nd or 3rd at first call. Broken out by distance and firm/wet turf.

365 Day Stats (Not just current meet)

Arlington

Colonial

Thanks for these....

Can you get a current meet one?

#3 08-10-2010, 09:36 PM

Fair Grounds is a horrible turf course. It's more like a sand course.

philcski · #4 08-10-2010, 09:39 PM

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Fair Grounds is a horrible turf course. It's more like a sand course.

Pretty sure it's Bermuda grass. I think it looks terrible but plays very fair.

randallscott35 · #5 08-10-2010, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

Pretty sure it's Bermuda grass. I think it looks terrible but plays very fair.

Agreed

Scav · #6 08-10-2010, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

Pretty sure it's Bermuda grass. I think it looks terrible but plays very fair.

You can't believe the numbers there though, all the turf numbers are 4w4w because they avoid the rail like the plague there.

#7 08-10-2010, 09:41 PM

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You can't believe the numbers there though, all the turf numbers are 4w4w because they avoid the rail like the plague there.

True. Plus the majority of the turf races there are complete garbage.

hockey2315 · #8 08-10-2010, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

Pretty sure it's Bermuda grass. I think it looks terrible but plays very fair.

There were some times this winter when it was playing VERY unfairly.

clyde · #9 08-10-2010, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Fair Grounds is a horrible turf course. It's more like a sand course.

Look at the topic title.

Don't you feel Rock Tardish??

#10 08-10-2010, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by clyde

Look at the topic title.

Don't you feel Rock Tardish??

No. I didn't quote the person who mentioned Fair Grounds.

randallscott35 · #11 08-10-2010, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants

No. I didn't quote the person who mentioned Fair Grounds.

That hurts.

clyde · #12 08-10-2010, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants

No. I didn't quote the person who mentioned Fair Grounds.

I give up already....find me Thebby's weasel photo.

The one with the pink lipstick.

#13 08-10-2010, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by clyde

I give up already....find me Thebby's weasel photo.

The one with the pink lipstick.

tiggerv · #14 08-10-2010, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav

Thanks for these....

Can you get a current meet one?

Yeah, I closed out of my database but I will pull them. I will pull Fairgrounds too

tiggerv · #15 08-10-2010, 10:13 PM

AP Current Meet

Scav · #16 08-10-2010, 10:19 PM

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AP Current Meet

Thank you

I can't find the information I found, I deleted the sent mail, but it indicated a major front end bias in 5 furlong turf races. I'll be able to get it again next week when they run a straight 5 furlong race again. Next two days there is no straight 5 furlong races.

tiggerv · #17 08-10-2010, 10:26 PM

FG 365 Day Stats

brianwspencer · #18 08-10-2010, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav

Thank you

I can't find the information I found, I deleted the sent mail, but it indicated a major front end bias in 5 furlong turf races. I'll be able to get it again next week when they run a straight 5 furlong race again. Next two days there is no straight 5 furlong races.

Please don't take this the wrong way -- but I'm wondering if you're confusing a sort of turf "bias" with the nature of 5f and 5.5f sprints as a whole; speed is a huge advantage.

Take the Arlington Polytrack course -- speed horses are winning 28.7% of all races run on the Arlington main course, but they're winning an astounding 40% of 5f & 5.5f sprints. Speed is a threat at shorter distances, but it's not always because a course isn't fair, there are huge race dynamics involved.

Scav · #19 08-10-2010, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Please don't take this the wrong way -- but I'm wondering if you're confusing a sort of turf "bias" with the nature of 5f and 5.5f sprints as a whole; speed is a huge advantage.

Take the Arlington Polytrack course -- speed horses are winning 28.7% of all races run on the Arlington main course, but they're winning an astounding 40% of 5f & 5.5f sprints. Speed is a threat at shorter distances, but it's not always because a course isn't fair, there are huge race dynamics involved.

I get it.

I got the stats from here (See Delaware Track Bias as example). Probably hard to see but when Arlington runs another 5f at her specific conditions I will get them again

Also, let me say that I am not trying to make it about Surfer, she is what she is, I never look at these stats but I happened to look when I was rewatching her race and I noticed the stats and thought it was odd