What Is The Fairest Turf Course?

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I dont think of CD as that fair considering the course plays a lot differently with the rais up or down. Tampa is pretty consistent. AP is a great course but they often get crazy about the temp rail too.

Yeah I consider CD to be in the 2nd tier somewhere I would say. And yes temp rails screw up fairness but on big days they are always down.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Scav

Always Down? The last three Millions they cut the turf course in half and had temp rails. The other turf races are run on the inner and the three big races are run on the outer

Usually down I guess I don't follow ARL close enough to know. I can't see other than drainage problems having the rail out. I know how it is in NY on big days.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Usually down I guess I don't follow ARL close enough to know. I can't see other than drainage problems having the rail out. I know how it is in NY on big days.

I thought you were speaking in terms of Arl's because that is what Chuck was talking about. All good

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Scav

I thought you were speaking in terms of Arl's because that is what Chuck was talking about. All good

You should be happy. I think your local track has the fairest turf course. Maybe I'm wrong.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

You should be happy. I think your local track has the fairest turf course. Maybe I'm wrong.

I think your wrong. Speed never really hold even with real slow fractions. It favors stalkers IMO. Closers have a hell of a time getting to the wire.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Scav

I think your wrong. Speed never really hold even with real slow fractions. It favors stalkers IMO. Closers have a hell of a time getting to the wire.

What's your pick?

[randallscott35]

You'll laugh but The Big M turf course plays very fair though it may never be used again. Much fairer than Monmouth.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

What's your pick?

I have no opinion because I never look that deep into things. I just look at a race and try and pick the winner and figure out the best way to make myself look like an idiot.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Scav

I think your wrong. Speed never really hold even with real slow fractions. It favors stalkers IMO. Closers have a hell of a time getting to the wire.

Originally Posted by randallscott35

You should be happy. I think your local track has the fairest turf course. Maybe I'm wrong.

Winner’s Running Style on Arlington Turf

Closers: 61/180 = 33.9%
Stalkers: 43/180 = 23.9%
Pressers: 29/180 = 16.1%
Speed: 47/180 = 26.1%

When the rail is out past 42 feet, the course becomes much less favorable to speed/pressing types. When the rail is in from 0-42 feet, you're looking at a much fairer course.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Winner’s Running Style on Arlington Turf

Closers: 61/180 = 33.9%
Stalkers: 43/180 = 23.9%
Pressers: 29/180 = 16.1%
Speed: 47/180 = 26.1%

When the rail is out past 42 feet, the course becomes much less favorable to speed/pressing types. When the rail is in from 0-42 feet, you're looking at a much fairer course.

Press trip on any surface IMO is the worse in racing.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Winner’s Running Style on Arlington Turf

Closers: 61/180 = 33.9%
Stalkers: 43/180 = 23.9%
Pressers: 29/180 = 16.1%
Speed: 47/180 = 26.1%

When the rail is out past 42 feet, the course becomes much less favorable to speed/pressing types. When the rail is in from 0-42 feet, you're looking at a much fairer course.

Those numbers seem pretty fair by and large.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Winner’s Running Style on Arlington Turf

Closers: 61/180 = 33.9%
Stalkers: 43/180 = 23.9%
Pressers: 29/180 = 16.1%
Speed: 47/180 = 26.1%

When the rail is out past 42 feet, the course becomes much less favorable to speed/pressing types. When the rail is in from 0-42 feet, you're looking at a much fairer course.

You need to break out sprint's from this, specific to 5f sprints I think. There is a massive bias in those races. I think only 2 horses have closed from less then 4 lengths in those races, and I think 20 of them have been run.

I think it skews the speed number.