Saratoga 5th - No DQ?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

His caliber?

There are about 4.5 jocks in the country who can make a positive impact most of the time. After that you have another several hundred meat and potato guys spread throughout the country who - in general - aren't separated by much ability wise...they're merely separated by the opportunities they get.

After that class, you have the guys who could stop the Yankees.

No factor in handicapping is more overrated than the jockey factor.

[NTamm1215]

It's about consistency. It's about maintaining a straight course. These are things that used to matter to the stewards in NY. There have been DQs on this circuit for infractions that were significantly less severe.

I'm no jockey but I would think that a horse being swung out into another horse knocking that one off stride is a great way for a jockey to fall off. Or is that nonsense?

NT

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

It's about consistency. It's about maintaining a straight course. These are things that used to matter to the stewards in NY. There have been DQs on this circuit for infractions that were significantly less severe.

What does the severity of the foul matter if it obviously had no impact on the outcome of the race?

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I'm no jockey but I would think that a horse being swung out into another horse knocking that one off stride is a great way for a jockey to fall off. Or is that nonsense?

I agree that he should be fined and should get days. It's typically when the horse that has more run is kept in where big trouble happens. Not from something like that.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

What does the severity of the foul matter if it obviously had no impact on the outcome of the race?

I know what you are saying, however in many races many horses don't have an impact in the outcome of the race even before the gate opens, by your reasoning one of these no chancer's could be mugged during the race and no action will be taken by the stewards. In essence if a horse can't win a race, they can never be fouled? This makes absolutely no sense.

[Linny]

The the victim in this race was not going to win, the case could be made that she might have had a better placing had she not been hit. "Outcome" doesn't just refer to the top spot.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Linny

The the victim in this race was not going to win, the case could be made that she might have had a better placing had she not been hit. "Outcome" doesn't just refer to the top spot.

No kidding the outcome doesn't just refer to the top spot - and the horse who finished 4th was the one that was fouled and she finished 7 full lengths behind the 3rd place finisher.

No halfway rational person could even attempt to argue that the foul cost her more than 2.5 lengths tops - let alone 7 full lengths.

Had another horse passed her for 4th ... than a DQ could be justified because there was superfecta wagering on the race and 4th money is still 4th money.

[CSC]

Love the chart call of this race:

"clobbered, knocking rival 3 paths sideways, angled out impatiently despite opening on rail"

Funny stuff.

[CSC]

The difference between Leparioux and The Boogyman is infantesimal when you watch Julien's ride in the 7th, he almost never panics, he waited for room on the turn and the horse won. If that was the Boogyman he would have side wiped a few horses just desperate to get out in time.

Originally Posted by CSC

The difference between Leparioux and The Boogyman is infantesimal when you watch Julien's ride in the 7th, he almost never panics, he waited for room on the turn and the horse won. If that was the Boogyman he would have side wiped a few horses desperate to get out.

Nevermind the fact you're comparing a turf route to a dirt sprint but don't let that stop you...nothing ever does so why start now?

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Nevermind the fact you're comparing a turf route to a dirt sprint but don't let that stop you...nothing ever does so why start now?

Have you watched him on turf? I recognize the difference in surfaces but that is minutia in the discussion of a patient ride and a panicked one.

Originally Posted by CSC

Have you watched him on turf? I recognize the difference in surfaces but that is minutia in the discussion of a patient ride and a panicked one.

So Bridgmohan panicked? That's good to know.

The way his horse was moving if he had waited then he more than likely would have to pull the reins and that is almost certain death in a dirt race at that point in the race.

In a turf ROUTE it's a completely different story.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

So Bridgmohan panicked? That's good to know.

The way his horse was moving if he had waited then he more than likely would have to pull the reins and that is almost certain death in a dirt race at that point in the race.

In a turf ROUTE it's a completely different story.

The horse was going to win, I think we all know he was on the best horse this race. It was unnecessary for him to take the chance he took, let me ask you if the stewards sided on a DQ and you had a bet on him, I bet you would not be so complimentary of him then. He got away with one, okay it's a good ride. This time.

[CSC]

Surprised no one has mentioned this yet, but they somehow decided to take down the #4 Laylaben in the 1st race yesterday. Yes, the horse drifted out in the stretch, however with what they have been letting thus far in the meet this DQ was surprising.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by CSC

Surprised no one has mentioned this yet, but they somehow decided to take down the #4 Laylaben in the 1st race yesterday. Yes, the horse drifted out in the stretch, however with what they have been letting thus far in the meet this DQ was surprising.

It was actually discussed briefly in the playalong thread from yesterday.

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37932

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

No factor in handicapping is more overrated than the jockey factor.

Definitely. The only time I look is when the horse I'm considering has a horrendous rider... I feel like they can move a horse down way more easily than the other way around.