Meanest Trainer Ever? - Page 2

Round Pen · #21 07-29-2010, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Linny

Unless you been on a race horse that was bolting it's tough to comment. I don't use a whip on a horse's face as a practice but the tail swishing/ear pinning/erratic action combined with an outrider appearing to try to herd him gives me the impression that the horse bolting and ignoring all rider cues.
I don't condone it but sometimes you have to get the d@amed horse back under control.
I was on a horse that bolted while out in the field. He was going sideways FAST, toward and 6-10 foot deep ditch filled with rocks and gravel. I smacked him in the head with the reins to get his attention because nothing was working.

Absolutely that horse was trying to get out

randallscott35 · #22 07-29-2010, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Look he's human but should know that this sport is under the microscope and talking to the reporter after the fact was career suicide.

If this doesn't make national headlines then he's the luckiest bastard on the face of the earth. The horse-kids comparison is media gold.

I was less than impressed with Asher's response as well.

#23 07-29-2010, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

I was less than impressed with Asher's response as well.

Not I. He was probably hungry.

Antitrust32 · #24 07-29-2010, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

no doubt the horse was out of control. but eventually it seems, so was the trainer. a shame all the way around. too bad for the horse, too bad for a trainer who probably got lost in the moment.

I bet the horse barely felt it. I'm not saying its the right way to go about it, but after watching the video I dont think its nearly as big of deal as some of the posts made it out to be.

horses are huge animals that can kill a person fairly easily. sometimes you have to be tough with them.

shoot i felt bad at school when getting the yearlings ready for the sale, if one of the colts got a erection we were supposed to smack it with a crop to make it go away.. that probably bothers them more than that punch did.

Antitrust32 · #25 07-29-2010, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Look he's human but should know that this sport is under the microscope and talking to the reporter after the fact was career suicide.

If this doesn't make national headlines then he's the luckiest bastard on the face of the earth. The horse-kids comparison is media gold.

yeah the quotes were not very well thought out.

randall, have you ever worked hands on with a race horse?

GPK · #26 07-29-2010, 04:50 PM

Meanest trainer ever? Chuck Simon...but only because he's a Knicks fan. I'd be miserable too.

Danzig · #27 07-29-2010, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I bet the horse barely felt it. I'm not saying its the right way to go about it, but after watching the video I dont think its nearly as big of deal as some of the posts made it out to be.

horses are huge animals that can kill a person fairly easily. sometimes you have to be tough with them.

shoot i felt bad at school when getting the yearlings ready for the sale, if one of the colts got a erection we were supposed to smack it with a crop to make it go away.. that probably bothers them more than that punch did.

perhaps. i don't think the knock in the head was needed. but, i have to admit i'm glad i've never had a video of me when i've had less than brilliant moments. people might think i'm touched in the head!

ahem...they may already think that anyway.

The Devil · #28 07-29-2010, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants

I would like to see someone defend this quote...

http://www.wlky.com/news/24426672/detail.html

Chicken man, you have no ideal what it is like to be around a race horse.

miraja2 · #29 07-29-2010, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

shoot i felt bad at school when getting the yearlings ready for the sale, if one of the colts got a erection we were supposed to smack it with a crop to make it go away.

Clearly you didn't handle Golden Missile as a yearling.

randallscott35 · #30 07-29-2010, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by The Devil

Chicken man, you have no ideal what it is like to be around a race horse.

Wait so b/c they are a big animal we should have an anything goes attitude towards face whipping? I don't see Circus trainers hit Tigers in the face. The people defending this are basically saying this "was the only way." The fact is he knew he did something wrong. If it was the correct way to do things, why would he admit that.

#31 07-29-2010, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by The Devil

Chicken man, you have no ideal what it is like to be around a race horse.

I've spent plenty of time around race horses and I've ridden them as well but that has absolutely nothing to do with what Carroll did nor does it justify it. Only a stall-mucking, mouth-breathing rube such as yourself would think otherwise.

Now go crawl back in your lurker troll hole before you get completely obliterated.

trackrat59 · #32 07-29-2010, 06:40 PM

I have a question. Let me know if I'm off on what I'm seeing.

I watched the video several times. Yes, the horse was out of control and D.C. was trying to gain control, get the horse to run straight, and move over to the rail. From what I saw in the video it appears the horse finally starts moving toward the rail as he goes into the turn and appears to be less rank at that point. This is when the horse gets smacked in the face. Did I see that correctly? If so it was unfair to slap the horse in the face at that point. If it was done as an attempt to gain control in a dangerous situation so be it.

PatCummings · #33 07-29-2010, 08:51 PM

I repeat...

Jeremy Rose was suspended for three months.

ateamstupid · #34 07-29-2010, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by trackrat59

I have a question. Let me know if I'm off on what I'm seeing.

I watched the video several times. Yes, the horse was out of control and D.C. was trying to gain control, get the horse to run straight, and move over to the rail. From what I saw in the video it appears the horse finally starts moving toward the rail as he goes into the turn and appears to be less rank at that point. This is when the horse gets smacked in the face. Did I see that correctly? If so it was unfair to slap the horse in the face at that point. If it was done as an attempt to gain control in a dangerous situation so be it.

His quote about it pretty much admitted that it was unnecessary and done only out of frustration.

Honu · #35 07-29-2010, 09:12 PM

Pete Eurton should have sang kumbayaa to that horse and maybe he wouldnt have tried to eat him alive. If someone hasnt been on a horse out of control then you have no idea what a person should or should not do. Horses are like children and sometimes you need to knock the crap out of them to get them to pay attention.

Linny · #36 07-29-2010, 09:36 PM

Thoroughbreds are sensistive and often thin skinned. (Anyone one needing proof can come to my barn and bathe/groom the horse in my avatar.) I'm sure the horse felt this and felt it good. However, anyone who has been on a horse that is out of control or close to it, no matter what the breed will do anything to get it's mind back on working. This horse was very rank and while DC's actions were harsh it is unfair for people who don't ride and/or deal with horses to get it, sometimes you just have to show some force.
I'm the first one to spoil a horse with treats, ear scratches and neck rubs but when a 1200+ lb. creature decides that he's in charge, there are not that many ways to set him straight.

DaTruth · #37 07-30-2010, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Look he's human but should know that this sport is under the microscope and talking to the reporter after the fact was career suicide.

If this doesn't make national headlines then he's the luckiest bastard on the face of the earth. The horse-kids comparison is media gold.

He is fortunate that he made that statement at the end of the week when reporters are otherwise preoccupied with Charlie Rangel, Mel Gibson, Lindsey Lohan, BP, Kagan, and NFL training camps. If he had said that crap during Derby week, he would have become the poster boy for animal abuse in the public eye. He needs to shut his mouth and lay low until this episode blows over, and hope his owners understand.

pba1817 · #38 07-30-2010, 12:53 AM

Horse deserved it

Danzig · #39 07-30-2010, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by trackrat59

I have a question. Let me know if I'm off on what I'm seeing.

I watched the video several times. Yes, the horse was out of control and D.C. was trying to gain control, get the horse to run straight, and move over to the rail. From what I saw in the video it appears the horse finally starts moving toward the rail as he goes into the turn and appears to be less rank at that point. This is when the horse gets smacked in the face. Did I see that correctly? If so it was unfair to slap the horse in the face at that point. If it was done as an attempt to gain control in a dangerous situation so be it.

that's the thing, when a horse is out of control or being difficult, the last thing you want to do when he finally starts giving in is whack him. you're supposed to make the horse realize that things get difficult when he gets difficult, things get easy when he behaves. how is a whack in the head a reward for doing somethiing right?

Antitrust32 · #40 07-30-2010, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

perhaps. i don't think the knock in the head was needed. but, i have to admit i'm glad i've never had a video of me when i've had less than brilliant moments. people might think i'm touched in the head!

ahem...they may already think that anyway.

none of us know if it was needed cause we werent on the horse. the horse was clearly running off and not listening to instruction.

And racehorses are much more dangerous than the average horse, because they are nuts and are fed lots of nutrients for training and have much more energy than the average horse.

being around race horses on any given day is a risk, being on top of one who wont listen is a big risk. IMO, the punch to the horse was nothing more than giving your dog a little slap because he wont listen.