7/24 (MTH): Lady's Secret S. feat. Rachel Alexandra

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i doubt they ever meet. altho the fans may want it, it seems the owners don't.

Correction, one owner didn't, that we do know.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by CSC

Correction, one owner didn't, that we know.

no, neither wants to. not sure why the onus falls only on jackson. there have been opportunities for these horses to meet. why it's ok for the mosses to refuse to ship, but not jackson is beyond me. oh, wait. i know why. it's because those who are firmly in one camp refuse to see the situation clearly. and that goes for either camp.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by CSC

Correction, one owner didn't, that we do know.

You, Riot & Booth are all so similar. Are you guys the same person who use different username's?

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

You, Riot & Booth are all so similar. Are you guys the same person who use different username's?

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

You, Riot & Booth are all so similar. Are you guys the same person who use different username's?

I think you are mistaken Antitrust, I don't know if you have noticed lately but I rarely mention Rachel in Zenyatta conversations of late; however I do notice it is one of the favorite past times of the Rachelites here. I don't know why you would say I am doing a Riot(excuse me I've seen the name but who is this poster?) and SO who does his thing here, which in my opinion is a healthy balance to the fanclub that once was so bullish a year ago. Fact is I've moved on, I corrected Danzig when she said both didn't seem to want to meet, when infact Moss shipped in to the Apple Blossom and Jackson backed out. This is a fact, you know this, I don't see why you would infer it is not true. Furthermore Jess knows where to find Moss later this year, the ball is in his vacillating court.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by CSC

I think you are mistaken Antitrust, I don't know if you have noticed lately but I rarely mention Rachel in Zenyatta conversations of late; however I do notice it is one of the favorite past times of the Rachelites here. I don't know why you would say I am doing a Riot(excuse me I've seen the name but who is this poster?) and SO who does his thing here, which in my opinion is a healthy balance to the fanclub that once was so bullish a year ago. Fact is I've moved on, I corrected Danzig when she said both didn't seem to want to meet, when infact Moss shipped in to the Apple Blossom and Jackson backed out. This is a fact, you know this, I don't see why you would infer it is not true. Furthermore Jess knows where to find Moss later this year, the ball is in his vacillating court.

I think its pretty obvious that both owners are sissies.

And you are a much better poster than Riot, sorry for that. (got to check out politics to find out about her brilliance)

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by CSC

I think you are mistaken Antitrust, I don't know if you have noticed lately but I rarely mention Rachel in Zenyatta conversations of late; however I do notice it is one of the favorite past times of the Rachelites here. I don't know why you would say I am doing a Riot(excuse me I've seen the name but who is this poster?) and SO who does his thing here, which in my opinion is a healthy balance to the fanclub that once was so bullish a year ago. Fact is I've moved on, I corrected Danzig when she said both didn't seem to want to meet, when infact Moss shipped in to the Apple Blossom and Jackson backed out. This is a fact, you know this, I don't see why you would infer it is not true. Furthermore Jess knows where to find Moss later this year, the ball is in his vacillating court.

lol
yeah, you corrected me...i know full well about the apple blossom, i also know it wasn't the one race last year or this in which they could have faced off. i know that anyone who wants to consider themselves knowledgeable about horse racing wouldn't go on and on about rachel 'backing out' of that race. anyone who follows this sport understands exactly why she didn't run, that she was up against it to make the race at all, regardless of competition, and that jess jackson showed himself to be none too smart regarding horses when he aimed for the race! it was an almost impossible undertaking, yet you and two others on here continue to believe that there were dark, sinister forces at work there-when in fact it was all about a horse who had been on the shelf for months, and could in no way be ready for the needed effort after that layoff. jess jackson was an idiot for even making the attempt. the mosses have been no more keen to take on stiff competition this year than jackson. zenyattas races prove that just as much as rachels.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Danzig

lol
i know that anyone who wants to consider themselves knowledgeable about horse racing wouldn't go on and on about rachel 'backing out' of that race. anyone who follows this sport understands exactly why she didn't run, that she was up against it to make the race at all

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Danzig

lol
yeah, you corrected me...i know full well about the apple blossom, i also know it wasn't the one race last year or this in which they could have faced off. i know that anyone who wants to consider themselves knowledgeable about horse racing wouldn't go on and on about rachel 'backing out' of that race. anyone who follows this sport understands exactly why she didn't run, that she was up against it to make the race at all, regardless of competition, and that jess jackson showed himself to be none too smart regarding horses when he aimed for the race! it was an almost impossible undertaking, yet you and two others on here continue to believe that there were dark, sinister forces at work there-when in fact it was all about a horse who had been on the shelf for months, and could in no way be ready for the needed effort after that layoff. jess jackson was an idiot for even making the attempt. the mosses have been no more keen to take on stiff competition this year than jackson. zenyattas races prove that just as much as rachels.

Conditions were agreed upon, race was moved back to accomodate Jess, tell me had they moved it back 3 months would it have made a difference with what we are seeing of her today? Logic seems to escape her fanclub.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by CSC

Conditions were agreed upon, race was moved back to accomodate Jess, tell me had they moved it back 3 months would it have made a difference with what we are seeing of her today? Logic seems to escape her fanclub.

the fact is that the filly was off for six months after a very long and difficult season, that oaklawn tried to accomodate both horses, rachel was put on a fast track to get back in shape, and didn't have the time needed on such an abbreviated schedule. jess wanted her to be ready, hoped she would be, she was not. i think having watched this sport and thousands of horses for years, it was illogical for them to attempt based on all the facts. i'm sorry you think that she missed the race simply because zenyatta showed; i think she missed it because she just couldn't be ready at the time. but then, i'm not biased either way, so i guess i can look at this objectively whereas some cannot.
i've seen a variety of comments about rachel. hard to say what would happen were they to meet. i hope they do meet so the question will be answered.

[Danzig]

just read this, linked on equidaily:


The Rachel Alexandra-Zenyatta matchup could finally take place on Aug. 29 in the Personal Ensign Stakes at Saratoga.

"We have spoken with Zenyatta's connections regarding races at Saratoga and Belmont," said New York Racing Association president and CEO Charles Hayward, who noted that the Personal Ensign would remain at the mile-and one-quarter distance.

The purse is currently $400,000, but that could increase. NYRA increased the purse of last year's Woodward from $500,000 to $750,000 to get Rachel to race at Saratoga.

But Hayward added: "It's too early to speculate on the purse."

With concerns over the synthetic surface at Del Mar, Zenyatta connections still haven't made up their mind where the big mare will start next, while Rachel Alexandra's camp indicated there's a good chance she'll start next at the Spa.

"I have no idea," said Dottie Ingordo-Shirreffs, the wife of trainer John Shirreffs and the racing manager for Jerry and Ann Moss, who own the undefeated Zenyatta. "We're trying to decide that. We have not confirmed anything yet. We're looking at several options."

Zenyatta, 17-for-17 in her career, was pointing to a start in the Clement L. Hirsch Stakes at Del Mar on Aug. 7, a race she has won the past two years.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by CSC

Conditions were agreed upon, race was moved back to accomodate Jess, tell me had they moved it back 3 months would it have made a difference with what we are seeing of her today? Logic seems to escape her fanclub.

The race was "moved back" five days. You really think five days makes any real difference in a horse's fitness?

[CSC]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

The race was "moved back" five days. You really think five days makes any real difference in a horse's fitness?

Race was originally for Apr 3, so unless this is new math it was six days, but why split hairs.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

The race was "moved back" five days. You really think five days makes any real difference in a horse's fitness?

no, she could have got into shape-but rachel refused to drop weight and get into racing trim so quick because she knew zenyatta was coming!

[cabvmd]

Travis Sone wrote

This all said... unless Steve A. is working some funky new training regime, Rachel Alexandra does not appear nearly as fast as she was last year. Does the Rachel of last spring/summer only win the Lady's Secret by a few lengths? No way. Hopefully I'm wrong though.
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Please do not forget who had Rachel in the begining of the year last year when the all important foundation was put in to her. Hal Wiggens trained the horse up to and for the Kentucky Oaks and after her impressive win, Jess Jackson purchased her for an untold amount.

Maybe Steve A. IS NOT the best trainer in the USA.


If a horse is just starting their initatial race campaign as a two year old or returning to the races after a layoff, the foundation put in to the horse is maybe the most important part of the future races the horse will run.

Like I said in one of my earlier post, Horsemanship is all but DISSAPEARED from the game today , maybe except for old time trainers like Mr Wiggins.