7/24 (MTH): Lady's Secret S. feat. Rachel Alexandra

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Zenyattas Classic, I agree it was not the best of the best, but it was TONS BETTER then anything Rachel faced in the Woodward.

For a dirt race? The BC Classic has been the country's top DIRT race, and she beat a good, rock-solid field of mainly turf horses, synthetic horses, and dirt no-hopers (thanks to the synthetic surface) in the country's biggest DIRT race.

It's apples and oranges to try to compare the two.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

For a dirt race? The BC Classic has been the country's top DIRT race, and she beat a good, rock-solid field of mainly turf horses, synthetic horses, and dirt no-hopers (thanks to the synthetic surface) in the country's biggest DIRT race.

It's apples and oranges to try to compare the two.

Besides, Randall's quote was about Rachel's entire campaign. Cherry-picking just the Woodward and comparing it on its own to the Classic is disingenuous.

[prudery]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Besides, Randall's quote was about Rachel's entire campaign. Cherry-picking just the Woodward and comparing it on its own to the Classic is disingenuous.

FYI--the Woodward and the Classic were the only unrestricted races both girls ran in--nothing disigenous there . Of course there was a surface variable, but the former still applies--one unrestricted race each ...

Every other race each ran in was age or sex restricted ..

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by prudery

FYI--the Woodward and the Classic were the only unrestricted races both girls ran in--nothing disigenous there . Of course there was a surface variable, but the former still applies--one unrestricted race each ...

Every other race each ran in was age or sex restricted ..

FYI: Your pomposity and obsessive use of ellipses doesn't substitute for a meaningful point.

[prudery]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

FYI: Your pomposity and obsessive use of ellipses doesn't substitute for a meaningful point.

Mirror mirror on the wall ...

Serling beat you to it--I am easily the most pretentious poster he said, and don't you forget it, stupid ...

The post had plenty of meaning--you just chose to be a he- beeyotch about it ..

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by prudery

Mirror mirror on the wall ...

Serling beat you to it--I am easily the most pretentious poster he said, and don't you forget it, stupid ...

The post had plenty of meaning--you just chose to be a he- beeyotch about it ..

No, it didn't. You rambled about age and sex restrictions in an attempt to isolate the Woodward and Classic and ignore the rest of Rachel's indisputably superior campaign. Not going to cut it ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

No, it didn't. You rambled about age and sex restrictions in an attempt to isolate the Woodward and Classic and ignore the rest of Rachel's indisputably superior campaign. Not going to cut it ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...

Super Fly, 10f on dirt, the 2 of them in there vs a few other plugs, maybe Life at Ten is in there. Who wins? I think Z wins for fun.

[prudery]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

No, it didn't. You rambled about age and sex restrictions in an attempt to isolate the Woodward and Classic and ignore the rest of Rachel's indisputably superior campaign. Not going to cut it ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...

I did not ramble at all .

The only two races that were unrestricted were the Woodward and the Classic . Ergo they are the only two comparable WITHIN THAT FRAMEWORK...

Whether Rachel's campaign was superior or not is where the rambling comes in--from you .

I NEVER mentioned whose campaign was the better and it was not germaine to the discussion, which you quickly ducked, feinted and brought in defense to...

Some folks need to move on from 2009, and simply can not in the face of a real let down .

While it is disappointing that both horses could be more aggressively raced, one doesn't ship, and the other ships to escape ...

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by prudery

FYI--the Woodward and the Classic were the only unrestricted races both girls ran in--nothing disigenous there . Of course there was a surface variable, but the former still applies--one unrestricted race each ...

Every other race each ran in was age or sex restricted ..

Right, a mare winning races like the Milady, Vanity, Clement Hirsch and Lady's Secret is as significant as a filly winning the Preakness and the Haskell.

[prudery]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

Right, a mare winning races like the Milady, Vanity, Clement Hirsch and Lady's Secret is as significant as a filly winning the Preakness and the Haskell.

Off topic ..

We were not talking comparing races other than the only two UNRESTRICTED RACES both ran in --that was the topic .

And another FYI--it is 2010--let me know how that works for your bias at the year's end ..

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by prudery

Off topic ..

We were not talking comparing races other than the only two UNRESTRICTED RACES both ran in --that was the topic .

And another FYI--it is 2010--let me know how that works for your bias at the year's end ..

Speaking of being off topic . . . . . The title of this thread is Horse of the Year Rachel Alexandra's next start . . . . not selectively choosing which of Rachel Alexandra's 2009 races to compare to zenyatta's fake dirt win over turf horses.

To fully appreciate Rachel Alexandra's historic 2009 campaign, you must look at her entire body of work that year. For some reason, the zetards don't like to do that.

[prudery]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

Speaking of being off topic . . . . . The title of this thread is Horse of the Year Rachel Alexandra's next start . . . . not selectively choosing which of Rachel Alexandra's 2009 races to compare to zenyatta's fake dirt win over turf horses.

To fully appreciate Rachel Alexandra's historic 2009 campaign, you must look at her entire body of work that year. For some reason, the zetards don't like to do that.

Duh Truth---I looked at Rachel's historic 2009 campaign LAST YEAR .

Very spiffy . And deserving of its reward .

For some reason Rachelistas can't get over 2009 a year later . And yes, you did say the topic was Rachel's next race, not last year's races ... Off topic ..

Her campaign this year is somewhat less historic--in particular this faux race coming up .

You can spin that all you want, but this Monmouth endeavor is historic only in its absurdity .

Time to look forward and get the shades of delusion off .

If this campaign was run by any other horse, they would be laughed at for Breeder's Cup potential, and even more so as a potential candidate for HOY .

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by prudery

FYI--the Woodward and the Classic were the only unrestricted races both girls ran in--nothing disigenous there . Of course there was a surface variable, but the former still applies--one unrestricted race each ...

Every other race each ran in was age or sex restricted ..

So if a bunch of Grade I winning turf horses had shown up for Rachel's Woodward on conventional dirt, and she had rolled by 10, you'd naturally admit that it was the stronger race?

Please. She ran on dirt, against dirt horses who were in solid form at the time.

Zenyatta won the year's biggest "dirt" race against a bunch of turf horses.

Of course it's disingenuous, but that's nothing new.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

For a dirt race? The BC Classic has been the country's top DIRT race, and she beat a good, rock-solid field of mainly turf horses, synthetic horses, and dirt no-hopers (thanks to the synthetic surface) in the country's biggest DIRT race.

It's apples and oranges to try to compare the two.

To that end, do her connections not deserve credit for pointing her to the classic on her less proven surface this year? It's been mentioned in this thread that Euro's have basically kicked the American's butts on plastic the past 2 years on proride in the BC, here we have one American horse that more than held up her end by beating the best turf, dirt, synth specialists that wanted to run in the classic, but it is viewed by some as a feat via asterisk, not you specifically Brian, but by some. How can one make a statement of that belief by saying the Euro's are so superior to the Americans on plastic yet downgrade her performance is truly hard to understand.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by CSC

To that end, do her connections not deserve credit for pointing her to the classic on her less proven surface this year? It's been mentioned in this thread that Euro's have basically kicked the American's butts on plastic the past 2 years on proride in the BC, here we have one American horse that more than held up her end by beating the best turf, dirt, synth specialists that wanted to run in the classic, but it is viewed by some as a feat via asterisk, not you specifically Brian, but by some. How can one make a statement of that belief by saying the Euro's are so superior to the Americans on plastic yet downgrade her performance is truly hard to understand.

Well, I disagree wholeheartedly that the Euros "kicked [our butts]" on Pro-Ride the last two years, they won a couple of races, including the Marathon twice (which long-distance Euros should win every time, so it's not really germane), the BC Juvy one year, and the Classic one year.

So, I'm not really of that mindset anyway, because I don't think they did. However, horses coming off dirt preps then running in the biggest "dirt" races of the year are 0-for-everything in the last two years, and that says more about the surface than two upset-minded Euros.

But I don't disagree with your other assertion -- good for Z's connections for protecting her and pointing her to the races on her home turf, but the point I'm making, is to use those fields to try to compare to Rachel's Woodward is positively ludicrous and just nothing more than opportunistic grabbing by those who want to validate the races as something more than they were. The Classic last year was sensational, for what it was and nothing more, but positing it as some sort of equivalent to a top dirt race is ridiculous and should be summarily rejected out of hand with no further discussion and no further consideration by anyone of rational mind.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Well, I disagree wholeheartedly that the Euros "kicked [our butts]" on Pro-Ride the last two years, they won a couple of races, including the Marathon twice (which long-distance Euros should win every time, so it's not really germane), the BC Juvy one year, and the Classic one year.

So, I'm not really of that mindset anyway, because I don't think they did. However, horses coming off dirt preps then running in the biggest "dirt" races of the year are 0-for-everything in the last two years, and that says more about the surface than two upset-minded Euros.

But I don't disagree with your other assertion -- good for Z's connections for protecting her and pointing her to the races on her home turf, but the point I'm making, is to use those fields to try to compare to Rachel's Woodward is positively ludicrous and just nothing more than opportunistic grabbing by those who want to validate the races as something more than they were. The Classic last year was sensational, for what it was and nothing more, but positing it as some sort of equivalent to a top dirt race is ridiculous and should be summarily rejected out of hand with no further discussion and no further consideration by anyone of rational mind.

Then they should be viewed as separate entities, both special and difficult in their own ways. This I can see eye to eye on.