7/24 (MTH): Lady's Secret S. feat. Rachel Alexandra

Cannon Shell · #1 07-21-2010, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by prudery

I do not believe anyone pointing out this fabricated race at Monmouth is looking to validate or excuse what you call Zenyatta's pathetic campaign .

Zenyatta could have been more ambitiously placed, but her campaign this year absolutely does trump Rachel's--and it remains a perfect score .

I can not see how that is difficult for you .

50 percent of Rachel's races have been tailored for her, and she has lost 2/3 of her efforts to date .

None of Zenyatta's races have been tailored for her, and they have been grade 1 races exclusively including handicaps .

Both mares have been running on easy street this year, but so far Rachel's has simply been the more pathetic course .

I wouldnt be so quick to trumpet Zenyatta's handicap races as she hasnt been given a fair weight in at least a year.

You have to try very hard to find a softer path than Zenyatta has taken. But it looks like Ol Jess has accomplished that.

This field is a joke.

cakes44 · #2 07-21-2010, 06:10 PM

Is it okay if I believe Zenyatta is just pretty good with pu$$y connections AND Rachel's campaign this year is a complete joke, or do I have to take a side?

Danzig · #3 07-21-2010, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by cakes44

Is it okay if I believe Zenyatta is just pretty good with pu$$y connections AND Rachel's campaign this year is a complete joke, or do I have to take a side?

hope you don't mind company. this race is a joke. their campaigns this year are jokes.

randallscott35 · #4 07-21-2010, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I wouldnt be so quick to trumpet Zenyatta's handicap races as she hasnt been given a fair weight in at least a year.

You have to try very hard to find a softer path than Zenyatta has taken. But it looks like Ol Jess has accomplished that.

This field is a joke.

And how is that her ****ing fault Chuckie. Its worth 400k.

RockHardTen1985 · #5 07-21-2010, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

And how is that her ****ing fault Chuckie. Its worth 400k.

Well the Whitney is in 2 weeks, the Del Cap was last weekend. What would have been wrong with either of those? O yes, the 10f and QR.

randallscott35 · #6 07-21-2010, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Well the Whitney is in 2 weeks, the Del Cap was last weekend. What would have been wrong with either of those? O yes, the 10f and QR.

Give me a break. She beat males and older males 3 times last year....She only regained her old form for the last race.

RockHardTen1985 · #7 07-21-2010, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

Give me a break. She beat males and older males 3 times last year....She only regained her old form for the last race.

Zenyattas Classic, I agree it was not the best of the best, but it was TONS BETTER then anything Rachel faced in the Woodward.

LARHAGE · #8 07-21-2010, 06:23 PM

What's even more pathetic is that the hopeless Yes She's a Lady gets a whopping 3 pounds from the HOY, despite not winning a race in over a year. This is a complete joke, and I truly hope she loses, and I'm someone who actually loves Rachel.

Cannon Shell · #9 07-21-2010, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by LARHAGE

What's even more pathetic is that the hopeless Yes She's a Lady gets a whopping 3 pounds from the HOY, despite not winning a race in over a year. This is a complete joke, and I truly hope she loses, and I'm someone who actually loves Rachel.

This group is so bad that it virtually impossible without Borel falling off.

The rest of the field is 4 for 20 on the year with 3 of those wins coming in claiming races at Oaklawn by Fablous Babe who is coming in off of a 62 beyer in an optional claimer.

brianwspencer · #10 07-21-2010, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Zenyattas Classic, I agree it was not the best of the best, but it was TONS BETTER then anything Rachel faced in the Woodward.

For a dirt race? The BC Classic has been the country's top DIRT race, and she beat a good, rock-solid field of mainly turf horses, synthetic horses, and dirt no-hopers (thanks to the synthetic surface) in the country's biggest DIRT race.

It's apples and oranges to try to compare the two.

ateamstupid · #11 07-21-2010, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer

For a dirt race? The BC Classic has been the country's top DIRT race, and she beat a good, rock-solid field of mainly turf horses, synthetic horses, and dirt no-hopers (thanks to the synthetic surface) in the country's biggest DIRT race.

It's apples and oranges to try to compare the two.

Besides, Randall's quote was about Rachel's entire campaign. Cherry-picking just the Woodward and comparing it on its own to the Classic is disingenuous.

CSC · #12 07-21-2010, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer

For a dirt race? The BC Classic has been the country's top DIRT race, and she beat a good, rock-solid field of mainly turf horses, synthetic horses, and dirt no-hopers (thanks to the synthetic surface) in the country's biggest DIRT race.

It's apples and oranges to try to compare the two.

To that end, do her connections not deserve credit for pointing her to the classic on her less proven surface this year? It's been mentioned in this thread that Euro's have basically kicked the American's butts on plastic the past 2 years on proride in the BC, here we have one American horse that more than held up her end by beating the best turf, dirt, synth specialists that wanted to run in the classic, but it is viewed by some as a feat via asterisk, not you specifically Brian, but by some. How can one make a statement of that belief by saying the Euro's are so superior to the Americans on plastic yet downgrade her performance is truly hard to understand.

Dahoss · #13 07-21-2010, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Well the Whitney is in 2 weeks, the Del Cap was last weekend. What would have been wrong with either of those? O yes, the 10f and QR.

Zenyatta could have run in these races also. The connections of both horses are ducking.

RockHardTen1985 · #14 07-21-2010, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss

Zenyatta could have run in these races also. The connections of both horses are ducking.

Hmm, Zenyatta is running in and being pointed to Grade 1's. You dont see the difference?

Dahoss · #15 07-21-2010, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Hmm, Zenyatta is running in and being pointed to Grade 1's. You dont see the difference?

Come on man. I know you are smarter than this. Grade 1? The races are a joke. They are both ducking top competition.

RockHardTen1985 · #16 07-21-2010, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss

Come on man. I know you are smarter than this. Grade 1? The races are a joke. They are both ducking top competition.

A Grade 1 is a Grade 1, and synthetics are part of the game now, as much as we hate it, thats how it is.

DaTruth · #17 07-21-2010, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss

Zenyatta could have run in these races also. The connections of both horses are ducking.

Yeah, but zenyatta still has to contend with the Rockies.

Cannon Shell · #18 07-21-2010, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

And how is that her ****ing fault Chuckie. Its worth 400k.

It is her fault because they needed to have monmouth change the date and distance of the race which was already going to be pretty much a layup. It doesnt take a master horseman to figure out that there are other graded options available (you know the races that the good horses are supposed to run in?) and virtually no one would run in the RA invitational.

randallscott35 · #19 07-21-2010, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

It is her fault because they needed to have monmouth change the date and distance of the race which was already going to be pretty much a layup. It doesnt take a master horseman to figure out that there are other graded options available (you know the races that the good horses are supposed to run in?) and virtually no one would run in the RA invitational.

Ok.

Cannon Shell · #20 07-21-2010, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

Ok.

So you are saying that this is not the cowardly path? That they shouldn't be chastised for talking all that crap about how great she is and then have these kinds of fields created for her? That we are supposed to be "oh so happy to just see her compete" or " be happy he didnt retire her"?