Beyer blasting NY racing on ATR

why so many scratches at Belmont today?

[ateamstupid]

LOL @ this dude complaining about me deleting his post, then deleting it himself. You can't make this stuff up.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

LOL @ this dude complaining about me deleting his post, then deleting it himself. You can't make this stuff up.

Clowns

[jms62]

Originally Posted by arizonadave

why so many scratches at Belmont today?

Almost as if they simply enter to get the races to go knowing they are going to scratch. Moribund situation down state.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by arizonadave

why so many scratches at Belmont today?

heading down to Monmouth

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Cardus

What a disingenuous thread title.

Yes, Beyer wasn't thrilled with a field of six NYB turf maidens with a 26% takeout, but from the your title, JMS, you'd think that that was the main topic of the interview.

NYRA's product was a negligible percentage of that interview.

Read into it what you want . Steve gave him a leading question looking for him to say something negative about Monmouth, he didn't take the bait and instead bashed Belmont.. Small part of the segment indeed but classic.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by jms62

Read into it what you want . Steve gave him a leading question looking for him to say something negative about Monmouth, he didn't take the bait and instead bashed Belmont.. Small part of the segment indeed but classic.

You should have left the dipshit part in.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by jms62

Read into it what you want. Steve gave him a leading question looking for him to say something negative about Monmouth.

I did? That's funny.

The one doing the reading into is you.

It was a conversation about alternative wagering concepts with special attention to exchange betting.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Kasept

I did? That's funny.

The one doing the reading into is you.

It was a conversation about alternative wagering concepts with special attention to exchange betting.

Come on Steve, I was born at night but not last night. I'd like others opinion that heard the segment. It was a great segment though and I continue to love the show even though you are a bigger homer than Phil Rizzuto

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by jms62

Come on Steve, I was born at night but not last night. I'd like others opinion that heard the segment. It was a great segment though and I continue to love the show even though you are a bigger homer than Phil Rizzuto

A bigger homer about what?

It's remarkable that no one can have any discussion or try to offer any broad insights on a topic without immediate attempts to create polarizing divisions. It's frankly bizarre.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Kasept

A bigger homer about what?

It's remarkable that no one can have any discussion or try to offer any broad insights on a topic without immediate attempts to create polarizing divisions. It's frankly bizarre.

Nothing wrong with having a biasis which you do, why shouldnt you have a facv? Your opinion stems from your opinion that NY will change as soon as VLT's come on line and your feeling that this is a 1 off meet for NJ.. We all get it, NY will be monsta and MP will have a 30 mil model if that going forward..

[TouchOfGrey]

Originally Posted by Kasept

It's remarkable that no one can have any discussion or try to offer any broad insights on a topic without immediate attempts to create polarizing divisions. It's frankly bizarre.

Zenyatta!

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Right now, It's pretty easy to "blast" what is passing as horse racing at every race track in the country except Monmouth Park and Evangeline.

[freddymo]

IMO Steve has tried very hard to protect the NYRA product, while not overly supporting the MP changes. We all (save Fatty) hope that NYRA's product returns to be the best betting opportunity in America but Fri-Sunday it isn't. MP is a better meet and it has attracted very good races to bet.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by freddymo

IMO Steve has tried very hard to protect the NYRA product, while not overly supporting the MP changes. We all (save Fatty) hope that NYRA's product returns to be the best betting opportunity in America but Fri-Sunday it isn't. MP is a better meet and it has attracted very good races to bet.

Thanks for the interpretation Freddy. The meet is fun and the P5 is the best bet out there right now and I cap and play it every weekend. I promoted the New Jersey plan plenty upon introduction with several visits from Bobby Kulina and John Forbes. I talk about the Monmouth cards and stakes every week. But what is stunning in these odd exchanges about what the NJ program is supposed to be testing, is how reality has been utterly suspended. People talk about MTH right now as if this meet is an annual institution that is racing's greatest treasure. It isn't. It's a noble expirement carved out of desperation to see if there will be any future for racing in New Jersey.

Discussion of the Monmouth meet that fails to address its' complete and almost certain transience is 100% incomplete and pointless. While there's a ways to go and its' nice to have big fields, the reality is the handle on the cards isn't meeting the levels it needs to in order to come close to sustaining the concept. God forbid anyone try and introduce that reality to the proceedings... What should be the focus of the discussion is not some vapid NY v. NJ chest-thumping but what about MTH is working, what isn't and what level of racing dates and purse contributions make sense.

It took a full week for anyone to understand what the point was of the "$1,000,000 a day" thread, and clearly today's conversation with Beyer seems to be evading comprehension. I'm for ALL racing and am eager, and in fact desperate, to figure out what we need to do as an industry, as players, as owners, as fans, to stabilize and grow the game. I find ways to talk as encouragingly as possible about Magna, CDI, NYRA and every other entity in the game. It isn't as mundane as being defensive of NYRA at the expense of the NJSEA.

[Revidere]

Originally Posted by freddymo

IMO Steve has tried very hard to protect the NYRA product, while not overly supporting the MP changes. We all (save Fatty) hope that NYRA's product returns to be the best betting opportunity in America but Fri-Sunday it isn't. MP is a better meet and it has attracted very good races to bet.

That's a good point Freddy. I'm not sure you'll see the top jocks again if they have a second year Elite Meet, however. I was able to chat with Garret Gomez yesterday and he indicated that while he loves the area, he's going to Saratoga. The meet was not what he expected in terms of attracting good horses. He said the purses are great but he's spending more time in the jocks room than riding.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by jms62

Come on Steve, I was born at night but not last night. I'd like others opinion that heard the segment. It was a great segment though and I continue to love the show even though you are a bigger homer than Phil Rizzuto

I have never heard Steve say "Holy cow" even once on his show.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I have never heard Steve say "Holy cow" even once on his show.

or Huckleberry..But he does a nice job with Bday's

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Cardus

I get: "jms62":

Just More Stupidity, and you're a Mets fan.

I figured it out.

you been hittin the pipe tonight...


Hey Mr. Belmont fan... The over/under for scratches today at Belmont is 10, what side are you on? Enjoy it.