What Horses are not in the Hall of Fame you think should be?

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Dale Murphy was arguably the best player in baseball for a 5 year period between 1982 and 1987. He won 2 MVP's, 4 Silver Slugger Awards, 5 Gold Gloves and made 6 all star teams. He never got more than 23% of the vte for the baseball HoF. No one argues he should be in.

Why does this matter?

Because Dale Murphy was a 100x better baseball player than Cruget was a jockey.

And noone outside of sicko Braves fans or his family believe he is a hall of famer.

The great but how does that compare? A ball player that was great for 5 years compared to a jockey that won some of the sports greatest races in three different decades on different continents?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by kgar311

The great but how does that compare? A ball player that was great for 5 years compared to a jockey that won some of the sports greatest races in three different decades on different continents?

The point is that Cruget was never even considered the best rider anywhere at anytime! At least Murphy was considered the best player for a while. Just hanging around for a long time does not make one great.

[the_fat_man]

I find it incredible that anyone would push the argument that that ****in' IDIOT was a good jock. He makes present day super idiots like Espinoza, Ramsammy, Husbands, Centeno, etc. look like superstars. I mean, it gets no worse than Cruget. In fact, Mike Luzzi is a better jock than Cruget. At least with Luzzi you know what you get beforehand: very simple skills backed up by an idiot's intelligence. Cruget couldn't even offer that much.

We have to be kidding here.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I find it incredible that anyone would push the argument that that ****in' IDIOT was a good jock. He makes present day super idiots like Espinoza, Ramsammy, Husbands, Centeno, etc. look like superstars. I mean, it gets no worse than Cruget. In fact, Mike Luzzi is a better jock than Cruget. At least with Luzzi you know what you get beforehand: very simple skills backed up by an idiot's intelligence. Cruget couldn't even offer that much.

We have to be kidding here.

I think this is what i was trying to say....nicely.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I find it incredible that anyone would push the argument that that ****in' IDIOT was a good jock. He makes present day super idiots like Espinoza, Ramsammy, Husbands, Centeno, etc. look like superstars. I mean, it gets no worse than Cruget. In fact, Mike Luzzi is a better jock than Cruget. At least with Luzzi you know what you get beforehand: very simple skills backed up by an idiot's intelligence. Cruget couldn't even offer that much.

We have to be kidding here.

Like I said earlier, anyone of these jocks you just listed would sell their souls to the devil to have Jean resume.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by kgar311

Like I said earlier, anyone of these jocks you just listed would sell their souls to the devil to have Jean resume.

Here's the deal, however. While you and other's who, perhaps, lack a clue as to the rudimentary workings of the sport, might look at the stats and think that Cruget was actually competent --- hell, even quite good--- anyone who has been around the backstretch or bet horses seriously or even followed the game seriously or even remotely understands setups knows the real deal. Cruget can shove his accomplishments UP HIS FRENCH ASS. He got so many good horses beat and busted so many poor backstretch employees that were looking to make a few bucks betting on horses they'd cared for that rather than getting into the Hall of Fame, Cruget should get lynched. Seriously, this was one incompetent MOFO. And, complicating things was that he was smug about it. He'd come back after getting the best horse in the race beat and act as if he'd done nothing wrong. How dare anyone question him? He clearly had some superior suckup skills, however, because quite a few big outfits felt the need to ride him first call. It was a bad time overall when this idiot was riding.

[blackthroatedwind]

This is about to get very entertaining.

[clyde]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

This is about to get very entertaining.

!!

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Here's the deal, however. While you and other's who, perhaps, lack a clue as to the rudimentary workings of the sport, might look at the stats and think that Cruget was actually competent --- hell, even quite good--- anyone who has been around the backstretch or bet horses seriously or even followed the game seriously or even remotely understands setups knows the real deal. Cruget can shove his accomplishments UP HIS FRENCH ASS. He got so many good horses beat and busted so many poor backstretch employees that were looking to make a few bucks betting on horses they'd cared for that rather than getting into the Hall of Fame, Cruget should get lynched. Seriously, this was one incompetent MOFO. And, complicating things was that he was smug about it. He'd come back after getting the best horse in the race beat and act as if he'd done nothing wrong. How dare anyone question him? He clearly had some superior suckup skills, however, because quite a few big outfits felt the need to ride him first call. It was a bad time overall when this idiot was riding.

Just like I said, someone loses their two bucks on the guy and all of a sudden hes the worst jockey in the world. Do you really think the best horse always wins the race???

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by kgar311

Just like I said, someone loses their two bucks on the guy and all of a sudden hes the worst jockey in the world. Do you really think the best horse always wins the race???

This is moronic.

Truth be told, I once got put up for five figures, yes over $10K, in a Pick-3 at Belmont when my horse finished second ( it was a Richie O'Connell horse on a Monday in, probably, 1993, two days after Colonial Affair won the Belmont ) by EIGHT lengths to a Cruget horse ( trained by Mubarrak ) named Blue something. Cruget was DQ'd because he irresponsibly plowed into some horse while blowing by( this was his trademark move ) into the stretch.

He was a TERRIBLE rider.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by kgar311

Just like I said, someone loses their two bucks on the guy and all of a sudden hes the worst jockey in the world. Do you really think the best horse always wins the race???

Wow. Sounds like you could educate me. Taking on any students? Clearly, your jockey assessment skills are exceptional.