What Horses are not in the Hall of Fame you think should be?

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by kgar311

Like I said earlier, anyone of these jocks you just listed would sell their souls to the devil to have Jean resume.

Here's the deal, however. While you and other's who, perhaps, lack a clue as to the rudimentary workings of the sport, might look at the stats and think that Cruget was actually competent --- hell, even quite good--- anyone who has been around the backstretch or bet horses seriously or even followed the game seriously or even remotely understands setups knows the real deal. Cruget can shove his accomplishments UP HIS FRENCH ASS. He got so many good horses beat and busted so many poor backstretch employees that were looking to make a few bucks betting on horses they'd cared for that rather than getting into the Hall of Fame, Cruget should get lynched. Seriously, this was one incompetent MOFO. And, complicating things was that he was smug about it. He'd come back after getting the best horse in the race beat and act as if he'd done nothing wrong. How dare anyone question him? He clearly had some superior suckup skills, however, because quite a few big outfits felt the need to ride him first call. It was a bad time overall when this idiot was riding.

[blackthroatedwind]

This is about to get very entertaining.

[clyde]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

This is about to get very entertaining.

!!

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Here's the deal, however. While you and other's who, perhaps, lack a clue as to the rudimentary workings of the sport, might look at the stats and think that Cruget was actually competent --- hell, even quite good--- anyone who has been around the backstretch or bet horses seriously or even followed the game seriously or even remotely understands setups knows the real deal. Cruget can shove his accomplishments UP HIS FRENCH ASS. He got so many good horses beat and busted so many poor backstretch employees that were looking to make a few bucks betting on horses they'd cared for that rather than getting into the Hall of Fame, Cruget should get lynched. Seriously, this was one incompetent MOFO. And, complicating things was that he was smug about it. He'd come back after getting the best horse in the race beat and act as if he'd done nothing wrong. How dare anyone question him? He clearly had some superior suckup skills, however, because quite a few big outfits felt the need to ride him first call. It was a bad time overall when this idiot was riding.

Just like I said, someone loses their two bucks on the guy and all of a sudden hes the worst jockey in the world. Do you really think the best horse always wins the race???

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by kgar311

Just like I said, someone loses their two bucks on the guy and all of a sudden hes the worst jockey in the world. Do you really think the best horse always wins the race???

This is moronic.

Truth be told, I once got put up for five figures, yes over $10K, in a Pick-3 at Belmont when my horse finished second ( it was a Richie O'Connell horse on a Monday in, probably, 1993, two days after Colonial Affair won the Belmont ) by EIGHT lengths to a Cruget horse ( trained by Mubarrak ) named Blue something. Cruget was DQ'd because he irresponsibly plowed into some horse while blowing by( this was his trademark move ) into the stretch.

He was a TERRIBLE rider.

[cmorioles]

Jean Cruguet is certainly no Jean-Luc Samyn.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

This is moronic.

Truth be told, I once got put up for five figures, yes over $10K, in a Pick-3 at Belmont when my horse finished second ( it was a Richie O'Connell horse on a Monday in, probably, 1993, two days after Colonial Affair won the Belmont ) by EIGHT lengths to a Cruget horse ( trained by Mubarrak ) named Blue something. Cruget was DQ'd because he irresponsibly plowed into some horse while blowing by( this was his trademark move ) into the stretch.

He was a TERRIBLE rider.

You keep quoting races from when the guy was like 100 years old. YES HE SUCKED ASSS in the late 80s early 90s. So didnt Tyson at the end of his career, does that mean he doesnt belong in the Boxing hall of fame?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by kgar311

You keep quoting races from when the guy was like 100 years old. YES HE SUCKED ASSS in the late 80s early 90s. So didnt Tyson at the end of his career, does that mean he doesnt belong in the Boxing hall of fame?

He drove Flying Water into the eighth pole, resulting in her death, in 1977 or 1978.

[kgar311]

I mean for Christ sake, Early Fires is in the Hall of Fame

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by kgar311

I mean for Christ sake, Early Fires is in the Hall of Fame

So, your argument is that Jean Cruget belongs in the Hall of Fame because you think the current members aren't worthy as well?

Early Fires was a MUCH better rider than Cruget.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

So, your argument is that Jean Cruget belongs in the Hall of Fame because you think the current members aren't worthy as well?

Early Fires was a MUCH better rider at 65 than Cruget was in his prime.

FTFY.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

So, your argument is that Jean Cruget belongs in the Hall of Fame because you think the current members aren't worthy as well?

Early Fires was a MUCH better rider than Cruget.

Early may have been but he hid at Arlington park his whole life. He never proved anything at the A tracks, why is he in? He's like the Zenyatta of Jockeys.

Earlie went years at a time not winning any stakes races.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

This is moronic.

Truth be told, I once got put up for five figures, yes over $10K, in a Pick-3 at Belmont when my horse finished second ( it was a Richie O'Connell horse on a Monday in, probably, 1993, two days after Colonial Affair won the Belmont ) by EIGHT lengths to a Cruget horse ( trained by Mubarrak ) named Blue something. Cruget was DQ'd because he irresponsibly plowed into some horse while blowing by( this was his trademark move ) into the stretch.

He was a TERRIBLE rider.

Greatest redboard ever!!!

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Greatest redboard ever!!!

I held out as long as I could.

[KirisClown]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

This is moronic.

Truth be told, I once got put up for five figures, yes over $10K, in a Pick-3 at Belmont when my horse finished second ( it was a Richie O'Connell horse on a Monday in, probably, 1993, two days after Colonial Affair won the Belmont ) by EIGHT lengths to a Cruget horse ( trained by Mubarrak ) named Blue something. Cruget was DQ'd because he irresponsibly plowed into some horse while blowing by( this was his trademark move ) into the stretch.

He was a TERRIBLE rider.

Your memory is second to none..

[smartbid09]

Gate Dancer, Sham, Landaluce, Hoist The Flag, Little Current
[Horses who I personally love that are not in the hall of fame - maybe they don't belong there but it seems with a little luck they would have been HOF members. Maybe...]

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Dale Baird should be in the Hall of Fame.

His stable was basically Auschwitz for Equines .. and he won about 10,000 races with horses who mostly went on to fill dinner plates for this here feller...




Truthfully - Baird deserves to get in for no other reason than because he was by far the worst trainer in history in terms of betting value. It takes a real special kind of operation to lose at triple the track takeout - and do so with a sample size of literally several thousands of starts.

I don't think there was a better track to play around when Baird was alive and MTR had slots. The dude had about four or five horrendous favorites a day for five days a week for 52 weeks a year. They'll never be anything like it again.

[santana]

Originally Posted by KirisClown

Your memory is second to none..

I have to agree with you Kiri. But that was a pretty nice put up for Andy, and we tend to remember good things like that.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Don't give his memory that much credit ... he used the Cap locks button twice in that Redboard of the century of a post ... once to stress that his horse who got put up was beaten by eight lengths .. and the other to stress that Cruget was a terrible rider.

Based on the final margin in the chart above .. I'm going to say Cruget wasn't even quite half as terrible as BTW says.

[Thunder Gulch]

Five pages on Jean Cruget...in 2010. Slow weekend with the holiday I suppose.