What Horses are not in the Hall of Fame you think should be?

mikekay · #1 07-02-2010, 01:06 PM

Was it J. P. Campo?

kgar311 · #2 07-02-2010, 01:10 PM

Not to keep beating this but here is Randy Romeros Hall of Fame Career

Randy Romero
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Occupation Jockey
Birthplace Erath, Louisiana, United States
Birth date December 22, 1957
Career wins 4,285
Major racing wins, honours & awards
Major racing wins
Clark Handicap (1982)
Essex Handicap (1982)
Isaac Murphy Handicap (1982)
Ladies Handicap (1984, 1986)
Arlington Classic (1986)
Champagne Stakes (1986)
Coaching Club American Oaks (1986)
Cowdin Stakes (1986)
Frizette Stakes (1986)
Hawthorne Gold Cup Handicap (1986)
Jockey Club Gold Cup (1986)
Carter Handicap (1987)
Garden City Handicap (1987)
Hopeful Stakes (1987)
Jamaica Handicap (1987)
Queens County Handicap (1987)
Spinster Stakes (1987)
Woodward Stakes (1987)
Beldame Stakes (1988, 1990)
Bernard Baruch Handicap (1988)
Fall Highweight Handicap (1988, 1989)
Florida Derby (1988)
Gazelle Handicap (1988)
Queen Elizabeth II Challenge Cup Stakes (1988)
Vosburgh Stakes (1988, 1989)
Whitney Handicap (1988)
Blue Grass Stakes (1989 & 1995)
Commonwealth Stakes (1989)
Alabama Stakes (1990)
Arlington Oaks (1990)
Mother Goose Stakes (1990)
Secretariat Stakes (1990)
Test Stakes (1990)
Brooklyn Handicap (1992)
Adirondack Stakes (1993)
Arlington Handicap (1995)
Arlington-Washington Lassie Stakes (1996)

Breeders' Cup wins:
Breeders' Cup Distaff (1987, 1988)
Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies (1989)
Honours
Louisiana Sports Hall of Fame (2005)
National Museum of Racing and Hall of Fame (2010)
Significant horses
Polish Navy, Personal Ensign
Sacahuista, Go For Wand,

blackthroatedwind · #3 07-02-2010, 01:15 PM

Romero may or may not belong in the Hall of Fame as well....but the Cruget discussion is just too funny.

You really have to be either kidding or a relative.

I mentioned this to someone at the track today whose response to your suggestion that Cruget belongs in the Hall of Fame was " what sport? "

kgar311 · #4 07-02-2010, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Romero may or may not belong in the Hall of Fame as well....but the Cruget discussion is just too funny.

You really have to be either kidding or a relative.

I do think that the HOF committee should make it ALOT more difficult for a jockey to make it in the hall. With that being said im just comparing the numbers of some jockeys already in to his. The guy won G1 races in 3 different decades in 3 different countries. Won a G1 in his 50s. Won the triple crown. I mean what more do you have to do to get in when they are letting jockeys like Romero in?

Cannon Shell · #5 07-02-2010, 01:29 PM

Growing up in Saratoga I can't remember one person ever saying a single nice thing about Jean Cruget as a jockey. If I remember correctly he was not a bad sire but those years are all a bit fuzzy....

blackthroatedwind · #6 07-02-2010, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Growing up in Saratoga I can't remember one person ever saying a single nice thing about Jean Cruget as a jockey. If I remember correctly he was not a bad sire but those years are all a bit fuzzy....

I laughed.

kgar311 · #7 07-02-2010, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Romero may or may not belong in the Hall of Fame as well....but the Cruget discussion is just too funny.

You really have to be either kidding or a relative.

I mentioned this to someone at the track today whose response to your suggestion that Cruget belongs in the Hall of Fame was " what sport? "

Well why dont you show the credentials of Cruguet without his name attached to it and then ask if that jock belongs in the HOF. Im sure 9 out of 10 would say yes

Cannon Shell · #8 07-02-2010, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by kgar311

Well why dont you show the credentials of Cruguet without his name attached to it and then ask if that jock belongs in the HOF. I'm sure 9 out of 10 would say yes

Dude those credentials are very similar to Jerry Baileys credentials.

Of course I meant 2002 when Bailey won a similar number of stakes.

Just because they let in someone with less than stellar credentials means that someone with virtually no credentials should be in? Was Cruget ever the leading rider at any meet? He was never in the top 3 in NY all the years he rode there. Seriously if he hadn't won the TC on Seattle Slew would you have ever heard of him?

kgar311 · #9 07-02-2010, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Dude those credentials are very similar to Jerry Baileys credentials.

Of course I meant 2002 when Bailey won a similar number of stakes.

Just because they let in someone with less than stellar credentials means that someone with virtually no credentials should be in? Was Cruget ever the leading rider at any meet? He was never in the top 3 in NY all the years he rode there. Seriously if he hadn't won the TC on Seattle Slew would you have ever heard of him?

Heres another nice article about Cruguet that all should read.

http://www.saratoga.com/horse-racing...n-cruguet.html

Cannon Shell · #10 07-02-2010, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by kgar311

Heres another nice article about Cruguet that all should read.

http://www.saratoga.com/horse-racing...n-cruguet.html

The person who wrote that article made the following quote in the comments section.

"He IS an amazing man, and no doubt the BEST, most gifted jockey who ever rode a horse."

Seriously???

kgar311 · #11 07-02-2010, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Dude those credentials are very similar to Jerry Baileys credentials.

Of course I meant 2002 when Bailey won a similar number of stakes.

Just because they let in someone with less than stellar credentials means that someone with virtually no credentials should be in? Was Cruget ever the leading rider at any meet? He was never in the top 3 in NY all the years he rode there. Seriously if he hadn't won the TC on Seattle Slew would you have ever heard of him?

What would you say if Hoist the Flag didnt get hurt and Cruguet had 2 triple crowns under his belt, would he still be a scab?

Cannon Shell · #12 07-02-2010, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by kgar311

What would you say if Hoist the Flag didnt get hurt and Cruguet had 2 triple crowns under his belt, would he still be a scab?

Dale Murphy was arguably the best player in baseball for a 5 year period between 1982 and 1987. He won 2 MVP's, 4 Silver Slugger Awards, 5 Gold Gloves and made 6 all star teams. He never got more than 23% of the vte for the baseball HoF. No one argues he should be in.

Why does this matter?

Because Dale Murphy was a 100x better baseball player than Cruget was a jockey.

And noone outside of sicko Braves fans or his family believe he is a hall of famer.