Nick Canani at Arlington - Page 2

GBBob · #21 06-28-2010, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63

thankfully I'm not playing today as I most likely would have gone against. I feel for GBbob though.

Mike Reavis claimed him from Calabrese yesterday. Horse ran 10 Beyer pts higher than last race for us.

dellinger63 · #22 06-28-2010, 01:10 PM

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Mike Reavis claimed him from Calabrese yesterday. Horse ran 10 Beyer pts higher than last race for us.

wow the horse must feel like he's in Amsterdam....

The Bid · #23 06-28-2010, 01:31 PM

Dellinger why would he feel like he's in Amsterdam. Think he's gelded, redlight district not in play.

dellinger63 · #24 06-28-2010, 01:46 PM

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Dellinger why would he feel like he's in Amsterdam. Think he's gelded, redlight district not in play.

The other activity found in the red light district in Amsterdam, that or Sammy Sosa approved Flintstone vitamins

The Bid · #25 06-28-2010, 01:52 PM

Why do you think that Dell

Cool Clue was competitive at that level a few times. It's not like he showed some huge improvement. He jumped 10 objective figure points and just got the winner. He was back at the same level he ran for previous connections, where he belongs.

I just don't think he was drugged based on that effort. He pissed after the race

The Bid · #26 06-28-2010, 01:55 PM

I think there's a big difference in vetting these horses to the fullest, amd drugging.

Speaking of calabrese outfit I'm sure the vet bills are pretty extensive, but he has unlimited funds. That should be taken into account

Scav · #27 06-28-2010, 02:08 PM

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I think there's a big difference in vetting these horses to the fullest, amd drugging.

Speaking of calabrese outfit I'm sure the vet bills are pretty extensive, but he has unlimited funds. That should be taken into account

I agree with this. He has a 'personal' vet because he has so many horses, so the bills probably are not what you think they are. He is getting a major discount as many vets have 25-35% profit built into their number because they are never paid on time.

He ran a 73 Beyer (8 pt top) but the fractions were somewhat the same, final time was only a tenth faster then his last race, and he got somewhat of a perfect trip until the 1/8th pole.

Does it suck? Absolutely. If he was cheating, he would have been busted by now because he has been doing the same stuff for years. And the IRB was back snooping around last week, pretty interesting stuff although we obviously weren't part of it.

dellinger63 · #28 06-28-2010, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid

I think there's a big difference in vetting these horses to the fullest, amd drugging.

Speaking of calabrese outfit I'm sure the vet bills are pretty extensive, but he has unlimited funds. That should be taken into account

I agree his vet bills are extensive and he's tested and passing. I still think Cool Cue feels like he's in Amsterdam because of 'vetting to the fullest.'

The Bid · #29 06-28-2010, 02:23 PM

Scav

I'm sure his vet probably has them as comfortable as you can haveone come raceday. I'm also sure they push the envelope (legally) because calabrese does have unlimited funds. If you want to tap every joint and spend the money anybody can do it. I'm sure any trainer would love to be able to proactively vet all of them w/out worry. Unfortunately most owners aren't going to be okay w a 1500 vetbill.

Essentially I think cool clue ran the same race. To me the 8 point move is insignificant. Now if he ran him in an allowance and he drew off by 5, then you scratch your head

Scav · #30 06-28-2010, 02:32 PM

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Scav

I'm sure his vet probably has them as comfortable as you can haveone come raceday. I'm also sure they push the envelope (legally) because calabrese does have unlimited funds. If you want to tap every joint and spend the money anybody can do it. I'm sure any trainer would love to be able to proactively vet all of them w/out worry. Unfortunately most owners aren't going to be okay w a 1500 vetbill.

Essentially I think cool clue ran the same race. To me the 8 point move is insignificant. Now if he ran him in an allowance and he drew off by 5, then you scratch your head

The one thing about about was that he didn't have any physical issues, he was pretty sound. The allowance part is exactly what I have said.

Calabrese doesn't get major move ups, maybe 1-2 pts. He runs them through conditions and they get sold, pretty simple. It isn't like they are running 10's on the sheets and then pop with a 2 or 3 like Wolfson or Dutrow

The Bid · #31 06-28-2010, 02:39 PM

Just a matter of catching the right field on the right day for CC. Sucks to run one in the right spot, lose, get claimed, and have it win off the rip, but that's the claiming game.

Scav · #32 06-28-2010, 02:44 PM

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Just a matter of catching the right field on the right day for CC. Sucks to run one in the right spot, lose, get claimed, and have it win off the rip, but that's the claiming game.

There is someone that I love dearly that says he is the luckiest man on this earth, and he has known Frank for close to 40 years. He is 100% right

brianwspencer · #33 06-28-2010, 04:39 PM

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The one thing about about was that he didn't have any physical issues, he was pretty sound. The allowance part is exactly what I have said.

Calabrese doesn't get major move ups, maybe 1-2 pts. He runs them through conditions and they get sold, pretty simple. It isn't like they are running 10's on the sheets and then pop with a 2 or 3 like Wolfson or Dutrow

And when he does get huge move ups, it doesn't happen with the kind of frequency where it actually becomes a pattern that seems to be problematic. It happens every so often, but it happens to every trainer every so often, too.

The wagering can suck with Canani runners in the races, but I've got no real beef outside of that with the game they play. And for as bad as that can be for the wagering, at least he's out running his horses and helping fill races, for better or worse, unlike lots of guys on the backside.

Scav · #34 06-28-2010, 04:57 PM

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And when he does get huge move ups, it doesn't happen with the kind of frequency where it actually becomes a pattern that seems to be problematic. It happens every so often, but it happens to every trainer every so often, too.

The wagering can suck with Canani runners in the races, but I've got no real beef outside of that with the game they play. And for as bad as that can be for the wagering, at least he's out running his horses and helping fill races, for better or worse, unlike lots of guys on the backside.

Who the hell put this moronic idea in your head?

Scav · #35 06-28-2010, 05:24 PM

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And when he does get huge move ups, it doesn't happen with the kind of frequency where it actually becomes a pattern that seems to be problematic. It happens every so often, but it happens to every trainer every so often, too.

The wagering can suck with Canani runners in the races, but I've got no real beef outside of that with the game they play. And for as bad as that can be for the wagering, at least he's out running his horses and helping fill races, for better or worse, unlike lots of guys on the backside.

1) Trainers/Owners/Barns do not make money unless they run

2) I know for fact that one of the top trainers by wins entered EIGHT horses for July 1st, less then half got in

3) I know for fact that Chuck has been entering Normanruth for two weeks in a two turn allowance nw1 race, it gets three horses, if he is lucky....

4) The races being WRITTEN are finally for horses that are actually on the grounds, including the plethora of 2 year olds, they finally put more then 1 of those in the book, and wouldn't you know, they fill.

RolloTomasi · #36 06-28-2010, 05:37 PM

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1) Trainers/Owners/Barns do not make money unless they run

2) I know for fact that one of the top trainers by wins entered EIGHT horses for July 1st, less then half got in

3) I know for fact that Chuck has been entering Normanruth for two weeks in a two turn allowance nw1 race, it gets three horses, if he is lucky....

4) The races being WRITTEN are finally for horses that are actually on the grounds, including the plethora of 2 year olds, they finally put more then 1 of those in the book, and wouldn't you know, they fill.

Don't numbers 2 and 3 suggest that some barns aren't "helping fill races"?

Scav · #37 06-28-2010, 05:47 PM

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Don't numbers 2 and 3 suggest that some barns aren't "helping fill races"?

I can understand your point, that they are not entering in the 'correct' spot. But if you are entering 8 different horses in races, how isn't that helping out?

Specific to Normanruth, where do you go with him? He almost ran in the Hashin but caught a minor issue, and he needs a route of ground. They do not write a 50nw2. Anything less he would get claimed and that isn't the goal.

It isn't like he is a 7.5k claimer and could be put until a 5k or 10k claimer. I get that. He is an allowance horse.

RolloTomasi · #38 06-28-2010, 06:16 PM

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I can understand your point, that they are not entering in the 'correct' spot. But if you are entering 8 different horses in races, how isn't that helping out?

Specific to Normanruth, where do you go with him? He almost ran in the Hashin but caught a minor issue, and he needs a route of ground. They do not write a 50nw2. Anything less he would get claimed and that isn't the goal.

It isn't like he is a 7.5k claimer and could be put until a 5k or 10k claimer. I get that. He is an allowance horse.

The guy entering 8 horses, as you said, is making an effort. I was trying to point out why are the races he's entering not going? Maybe brianspencer has a point saying that some barns are too "inactive".

The same can be said on the situation you describe with Normanruth. How does a first level allowance not fill?

Scav · #39 06-28-2010, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

The guy entering 8 horses, as you said, is making an effort. I was trying to point out why are the races he's entering not going? Maybe brianspencer has a point saying that some barns are too "inactive".

The same can be said on the situation you describe with Normanruth. How does a first level allowance not fill?

There are no horses here...they are all babies and nickel claimers. Guys that had 10 horses last year have 5, guys that had 20 have 10.

It might get better with Churchill closing but I doubt it, Ellis Park supposedly cut dates and raised purses, trying the Monmouth route, at least that is what I heard.

People are trying, they are putting 30 extras up a night and it isn't uncommon for them to add races at 11am when they see they are gonna be there to 7pm

GBBob · #40 06-28-2010, 07:45 PM

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The guy entering 8 horses, as you said, is making an effort. I was trying to point out why are the races he's entering not going? Maybe brianspencer has a point saying that some barns are too "inactive".

The same can be said on the situation you describe with Normanruth. How does a first level allowance not fill?

All due respect to Brian, but what is the motivation for a barn to be "inactive'?