Nick Canani at Arlington

[Scav]

Originally Posted by The Bid

The only motivation for inactivity is milking day bill.

Sucks when they don't fill and you're ready to go. You can always let them hustle the allowance horse into a 10000 2l. Just let me know before you do it!

And it isn't like they are getting rich on that day rate either. There is absolutely zero logic in the notion that horseman are not entering horses when they are ready to run.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Scav

And it isn't like they are getting rich on that day rate either. There is absolutely zero logic in the notion that horseman are not entering horses when they are ready to run.

unless you are pointing for a toga , keeneland meet..ect

[The Bid]

You're right

They may not get rich not running, but if you stand to lose a daybill horse by running a lot of guys will not run.

Just hypothetically if a trainer can put 10 bucks in his pocket per head, per day, and he/she has 15 horses..... Figure that trainer makes 150 a day, 1050 a week. Certainly not gonna get rich, but it may provide a motivation for not running as opposed to running and losing one.

I have seen that often

a small trainer has to set them up to gamble, or make some profit on daybill, or it's a pretty tough gig

[CSC]

I'll throw a name into this discussion, how are Maggi Moss and Thomas Amoss doing this meet?

[The Bid]

At which meet csc. They haven't ran as many at chd since that fiasco w the pletcher claim.

She's light years ahead in the claiming game though. She gets it. She makes the right moves more often than not. It's not like she has unlimited funds either. She's just well read, bright, and understands how to turn a profit

[CSC]

Originally Posted by The Bid

At which meet csc. They haven't ran as many at chd since that fiasco w the pletcher claim.

She's light years ahead in the claiming game though. She gets it. She makes the right moves more often than not. It's not like she has unlimited funds either. She's just well read, bright, and understands how to turn a profit

Oh thanks, I thought she was running horses at Arlington. As you say her and Amoss were miles ahead of most in the claiming game. She usually netted flat profit results and is one owner that can be compared to Calabrese for her prolific numbers.

[The Bid]

To me what she does is much more impressive. She claims her horses w purpose. She already has an idea of the next spot, maybe next couple. Calabreses team is not equal to maggi, however can afford to jam them down your throat. Rarely, if ever, do you see her drop one till she's out and it's pure profit. Lotta people getting into this game should follow her model. There's a lot of money to be made if you play correctly

[Cannon Shell]

1. Anyone who thinks that there are a bunch of horseman at AP not running for imaginary reasons is getting poor information.
2. Outside of a few stables, who here has any good horses? The NW1 allowance race doesnt fill because there are a stunningly low number of quality horses and most of them are either trained by the same guy or are in the stable of a trainer who has multiple divisions most of which will be running for better purses. Dont forget Mott isnt here anymore, Pletecher isnt here anymore, Ronny Werner isnt here anymore, Asmussen isnt here anymore, Stidham splits between here and Delaware, Nafzger/Wilkes have a few crows here, Becky Maker is out of business. Outside of Peitz what new outfit showed up at AP this year?
3. One trainer in the top 5 in the standing told me that everythime he loses a horse via claim he just brings in another 2 yo because his owners arent really interested in claiming something back because the purses are too low.
4. At least 3 or 4 trainers have told me they lost horses to Monmouth, the owners sent them east because of the purses/polytrack. How many horses in the past do you think were headed to Ap and were diverted to Monmouth? I'd guess not many.
5. It is all pure speculation as to what anyone does or doesnt do. It would be naive to think that because someone isnt getting positive tests then they arent cheating. The greatest gain is when you can do something simple that everyone else can't. Was CC treated differently or given something other than what is allowable? Who knows? But it isnt as though he just tore through the condition. The Beyer number is not a factual account of what happened. If he runs a 90 in his next start with Reavis is he cheating? If he runs a 43 were Canani and I cheating? He got pretty much ideal circumstances and won a race by a head.
6. I would love to know who makes $15 a day in day money.