We are going to close Guantanamo

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

As Riot said, they claim that Obama has kept 116 promises and only broken 16 of them. If you belive that, I have some swamp land I'd like to sell you.

The site has each individual campaign promise enumerated and described. Which ones listed as kept are actually false?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Riot

The site has each individual campaign promise enumerated and described. Which ones listed as kept are actually false?

Obama must be the greatest President in history if he has already fullfilled 88% of his campaign promises in his first 1 1/2 year in office.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Obama must be the greatest President in history if he has already fullfilled 88% of his campaign promises in his first 1 1/2 year in office.

they did say he'd made over 500 promises, so he's nowhere close to 88%. it was a site i'd never seen before, but i thought folks might be interested. i wasn't condemning or condoning it, just thought it might have some pertinent information....

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Danzig

they did say he'd made over 500 promises, so he's nowhere close to 88%. it was a site i'd never seen before, but i thought folks might be interested. i wasn't condemning or condoning it, just thought it might have some pertinent information....

They have him keeping 116 out of 132 promises. That was where I came up with the 88%.

I think that is right that he made around 500 promises. I'm not sure why they only showed 132.

In fairness to Obama, it is only 1 1/2 years into his term so I wouldn't have expected him to have met all of his promises within his first 18 months in office. On the other hand, he acted like he was going to do some of those things immediately.

I am glad that he hasn't closed Gitmo. There is no good reason to close it. I think it would be very dangerous to release those terrorists into Illinois considering that a high percenatge of the ones they have released so far are have rejoined terrorist groups.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

They have him keeping 116 out of 132 promises. That was where I came up with the 88%.

I think that is right that he made around 500 promises. I'm not sure why they only showed 132.
In fairness to Obama, it is only 1 1/2 years into his term so I wouldn't have expected him to have met all of his promises within his first 18 months in office. On the other hand, he acted like he was going to do some of those things immediately.

I am glad that he hasn't closed Gitmo. There is no good reason to close it. I think it would be very dangerous to release those terrorists into Illinois considering that a high percenatge of the ones they have released so far are have rejoined terrorist groups.

they say it right on the page:

PolitiFact has compiled more than 500 promises that Barack Obama made during the campaign and is tracking their progress on our Obameter

and the plan wasn't to release the terrorists in illinois, but to hold them at a currently empty federal facility...perhaps someone(s) made noise about the plan impacting his home state? surely not!

[Danzig]

on another note, we get a losing grade from msnbc regarding the g20 summit:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37963363/ns/politics

Factbox: Winners and losers at the G20 summit


updated 1 hour 7 minutes ago
TORONTO — The Group of 20 ended a summit on Sunday saying its top priority was strengthening the shaky economic recovery and pledging to clean up debt-burdened public finances without stunting growth.

The group of major and emerging economies had different priorities going into the Toronto summit, and some were able to achieve more than others during the two-day meeting.


UNITED STATES - LOSE

U.S. President Barack Obama arrived at the summit on what White House officials hoped would be a triumphant note after House and Senate negotiators reached a final compromise on a bill that would bring about the most sweeping overhaul of financial rules since the 1930s.

But he left having achieved little on the fiscal issues that dominated the summit.

The United States was forced to give ground on European demands for a new emphasis on budget austerity, which it had warned threatened to torpedo the fragile economic recovery.

Obama also told G20 leaders that existing proposals in the Doha world trade talks did not meet U.S. needs and would have to change significantly.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Danzig

they say it right on the page:

PolitiFact has compiled more than 500 promises that Barack Obama made during the campaign and is tracking their progress on our Obameter

and the plan wasn't to release the terrorists in illinois, but to hold them at a currently empty federal facility...perhaps someone(s) made noise about the plan impacting his home state? surely not!

Attorney General Holder has specifically talked about releasing some of the terrorists into the US. That would be a great idea. I'm sure they all have been totally rehablitated at Gitmo and no longer pose any danger.

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/DOJ/sto...7115390&page=1

[Danzig]

that article is over a year old. do you have anything more recent that still shows that's a possibility? otherwise, i'd have to think that the admin is taking another tack on that.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

and the plan wasn't to release the terrorists in illinois, but to hold them at a currently empty federal facility...perhaps someone(s) made noise about the plan impacting his home state? surely not!

The prison in question is an empty State facility that was going to be retrofitted to a Fed. There was no political dissension that I know of as the Fed was going to dump a bunch of money on IL and promised jobs for the downstate area. Then the people spoke up. Nationally many questioned bringing terrorists into the country whether they were jailed or not. Locally and that is probably what killed the deal people didn't want families and friends of terrorists visiting the area and as one man was quoted, "they look different and everyone around here has a weapon so we can take care of business" another words a portion of the citizens were and ready to act .

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

The prison in question is an empty State facility that was going to be retrofitted to a Fed. There was no political dissension that I know of as the Fed was going to dump a bunch of money on IL and promised jobs for the downstate area. Then the people spoke up. Nationally many questioned bringing terrorists into the country whether they were jailed or not. Locally and that is probably what killed the deal people didn't want families and friends of terrorists visiting the area and as one man was quoted, "they look different and everyone around here has a weapon so we can take care of business" another words a portion of the citizens were and ready to act .

i just wondered why illinois....and if there were any political friends being made by obama choosing his homestate as the destination for these fellows. a lot of money involved there.
i wouldn't want them around here either by the way. they should be kept in a military facility, not a civilian...you'd have to think fort leavenworth for example would be more secure than a prison.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Riot

The site has each individual campaign promise enumerated and described. Which ones listed as kept are actually false?

I couldn't list them all or I'd be here all day. The site gives him credit (#125) for keeping his promise to end the war in Iraq. If they count that as a "promise-kept", I'd love to see what a "promise-broken" looks like.

They give him credit (#167) for a promise-kept to only give aid to Pakistan on condition that they prevent the Taliban from using Pakistan as a base. How can they count that as a promise-kept?

To call many of these "promises-kept" is totally subjective. I think that most people would call many of these "promises-broken" rather than "promises-kept".

[Riot]

Point taken