We are going to close Guantanamo

[Danzig]

said Barack Obama


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/26/us...?src=me&ref=us

Closing Guantánamo Fades as a Priority
By CHARLIE SAVAGE
Published: June 25, 2010


WASHINGTON — Stymied by political opposition and focused on competing priorities, the Obama administration has sidelined efforts to close the Guantánamo prison, making it unlikely that President Obama will fulfill his promise to close it before his term ends in 2013.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

said Barack Obama


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/26/us...?src=me&ref=us

Closing Guantánamo Fades as a Priority
By CHARLIE SAVAGE
Published: June 25, 2010


WASHINGTON — Stymied by political opposition and focused on competing priorities, the Obama administration has sidelined efforts to close the Guantánamo prison, making it unlikely that President Obama will fulfill his promise to close it before his term ends in 2013.

wonder if he'll apologize? especially to people like Riot who were outraged with Gitmo. Next thing we'll hear is he's extending the pull out date in Afghanistan and Ernie Banks was his favorite Sox player.

[Danzig]

he'll just say it's a complex situation...

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Danzig

he'll just say it's a complex situation...

..and a "teachable" moment

[dellinger63]

and tax it

[brianwspencer]

This is unfortunate. Pretty much all of the campaign promises I actually cared about have not come true. Though he got his health insurance law passed, it basically has no teeth and is unlikely to accomplish anything that a national healthcare bill should accomplish.

So he's pretty much 0-fer things I care about.

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

This is unfortunate. Pretty much all of the campaign promises I actually cared about have not come true. Though he got his health insurance law passed, it basically has no teeth and is unlikely to accomplish anything that a national healthcare bill should accomplish.

So he's pretty much 0-fer things I care about.

The Health Care bill will be a bigger disaster than the Pharmaceutical companies robbing the treasury with MMA.

[Thunder Gulch]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

This is unfortunate. Pretty much all of the campaign promises I actually cared about have not come true. Though he got his health insurance law passed, it basically has no teeth and is unlikely to accomplish anything that a national healthcare bill should accomplish.

So he's pretty much 0-fer things I care about.

Shame on you for believing. Don't take that personally, he fooled a lot of folks who wanted to believe that there was something better than the Bush folks.

The President-as those who came before him- has discovered that some promises are a lot easier to make than to keep. Of course, I'm sure that some of them were never meant to be kept, just to secure votes.

[Danzig]

i'm figuring that the health care bill will go down in flames, whether thru legislation to repeal it, or thru the legal process.

Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch

Shame on you for believing. Don't take that personally, he fooled a lot of folks who wanted to believe that there was something better than the Bush folks.

The President-as those who came before him- has discovered that some promises are a lot easier to make than to keep. Of course, I'm sure that some of them were never meant to be kept, just to secure votes.

i'm guessing most of them.

[Danzig]

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/

The Obameter: Tracking Obama's Campaign Promises

PolitiFact has compiled more than 500 promises that Barack Obama made during the campaign and is tracking their progress on our Obameter.

We rate their status as Not Yet Rated, In the Works or Stalled. Once we find action is completed, we rate them Promise Kept, Compromise or Promise Broken.




Promise Broken rulings on the Obameter

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...romise-broken/

promises kept:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me.../promise-kept/

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

This is unfortunate. Pretty much all of the campaign promises I actually cared about have not come true. Though he got his health insurance law passed, it basically has no teeth and is unlikely to accomplish anything that a national healthcare bill should accomplish.

So he's pretty much 0-fer things I care about.

what do you believe the healthcare bill should accomplish?

the insurance companies were/are totally for this just as BP is for Cap and Trade.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

wonder if he'll apologize? especially to people like Riot who were outraged with Gitmo. Next thing we'll hear is he's extending the pull out date in Afghanistan and Ernie Banks was his favorite Sox player.

I do want Gitmo closed. I was not "outraged" over it. I see no reason not to close it, and I think the fear-mongering monkeybrains who don't want those prisoners transferred to places like Illinois ... are ... monkeybrains.

From 'Zig's Politifact website:

Obama promises broken: 19
Obama promises accomplished: 116

Obama promises in the works to being accomplished: over 100
Obama is already up there as one of the Presidents who have done the most in their first year. His problem in my view is that he gives too much benefit of the doubt. Democrats have always had a tendency towards empathy Not so the GOP.

I'm far from hard left, so am not as unhappy as some far more progessive over what Obama has done so far. Of course, nothing he would do would suit a self-professed libertarian, I imagine.

I saw Ernie play at Wrigley multiple times It's a beautiful day for a ballgame! Ron Santo ... sigh

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/

The Obameter: Tracking Obama's Campaign Promises

PolitiFact has compiled more than 500 promises that Barack Obama made during the campaign and is tracking their progress on our Obameter.

We rate their status as Not Yet Rated, In the Works or Stalled. Once we find action is completed, we rate them Promise Kept, Compromise or Promise Broken.

Politifact.com is either full of crap or Obama is the greatest President in history, fullfilling 88% of his campaign promises in his 1st 1 1/2 year in office.




Promise Broken rulings on the Obameter

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...romise-broken/

promises kept:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me.../promise-kept/

Some of these sites such as politifact.com claim to be unbiased but they are actually quite biased. That is a liberal site posing as an an unbiased site. If you check out the site for a few minutes, you will see that they have quite a liberal bias. If you do a search, you will find several article that talk about politifact's obvious bias.

As Riot said, they claim that Obama has kept 116 promises and only broken 16 of them. If you belive that, I have some swamp land I'd like to sell you.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

As Riot said, they claim that Obama has kept 116 promises and only broken 16 of them. If you belive that, I have some swamp land I'd like to sell you.

The site has each individual campaign promise enumerated and described. Which ones listed as kept are actually false?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Riot

The site has each individual campaign promise enumerated and described. Which ones listed as kept are actually false?

Obama must be the greatest President in history if he has already fullfilled 88% of his campaign promises in his first 1 1/2 year in office.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Riot

The site has each individual campaign promise enumerated and described. Which ones listed as kept are actually false?

I couldn't list them all or I'd be here all day. The site gives him credit (#125) for keeping his promise to end the war in Iraq. If they count that as a "promise-kept", I'd love to see what a "promise-broken" looks like.

They give him credit (#167) for a promise-kept to only give aid to Pakistan on condition that they prevent the Taliban from using Pakistan as a base. How can they count that as a promise-kept?

To call many of these "promises-kept" is totally subjective. I think that most people would call many of these "promises-broken" rather than "promises-kept".

[Riot]

Point taken

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Obama must be the greatest President in history if he has already fullfilled 88% of his campaign promises in his first 1 1/2 year in office.

they did say he'd made over 500 promises, so he's nowhere close to 88%. it was a site i'd never seen before, but i thought folks might be interested. i wasn't condemning or condoning it, just thought it might have some pertinent information....

[witchdoctor]

Originally Posted by Riot

From 'Zig's Politifact website:

Obama promises broken: 19
Obama promises accomplished: 116

You gat to give credit when credit is due. Here is one promise that Obama kept.


http://hotair.com/archives/2010/06/2...upper-midwest/

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Danzig

they did say he'd made over 500 promises, so he's nowhere close to 88%. it was a site i'd never seen before, but i thought folks might be interested. i wasn't condemning or condoning it, just thought it might have some pertinent information....

They have him keeping 116 out of 132 promises. That was where I came up with the 88%.

I think that is right that he made around 500 promises. I'm not sure why they only showed 132.

In fairness to Obama, it is only 1 1/2 years into his term so I wouldn't have expected him to have met all of his promises within his first 18 months in office. On the other hand, he acted like he was going to do some of those things immediately.

I am glad that he hasn't closed Gitmo. There is no good reason to close it. I think it would be very dangerous to release those terrorists into Illinois considering that a high percenatge of the ones they have released so far are have rejoined terrorist groups.