top u..s commander in hot water

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

actually after reading it I have come to this conclusion also. He is much too important to the war than to fire him over this. The article wasnt as bad as I thought it would be. Did find it interesting that Hillary is the only one they respect though.

i think the thing that angered the military the most about all of it was the end date. you can't tell your enemy when you're going to stop fighting! that was ridiculous. hillary (and i give her many props for this) said give them what they want-which is why they like her. war is hell, as has often been said. you fight to win-if you're not going to do that, then quit wasting time, money and lives and get the hell out. so many mistakes made over the last few years with these two wars. we should never have gone to iraq, all that did was take away from afganistan. it also has elevated iran, which causes more problems. way to go george bush!

Originally Posted by Danzig

i think the thing that angered the military the most about all of it was the end date. you can't tell your enemy when you're going to stop fighting! that was ridiculous. hillary (and i give her many props for this) said give them what they want-which is why they like her. war is hell, as has often been said. you fight to win-if you're not going to do that, then quit wasting time, money and lives and get the hell out. so many mistakes made over the last few years with these two wars. we should never have gone to iraq, all that did was take away from afganistan. it also has elevated iran, which causes more problems. way to go george bush!

We're compassionate killers.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i think the thing that angered the military the most about all of it was the end date. you can't tell your enemy when you're going to stop fighting! that was ridiculous. hillary (and i give her many props for this) said give them what they want-which is why they like her. war is hell, as has often been said. you fight to win-if you're not going to do that, then quit wasting time, money and lives and get the hell out. so many mistakes made over the last few years with these two wars. we should never have gone to iraq, all that did was take away from afganistan. it also has elevated iran, which causes more problems. way to go george bush!

the article did make a good point.. what is considered a "win" in this war?

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

the article did make a good point.. what is considered a "win" in this war?

Spreading democracy.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

the article did make a good point.. what is considered a "win" in this war?

i don't know. because i really don't think it's ultimately a winnable war. as soon as we said 'we're leaving july 2011', the enemy realized they just had to wait us out. i read one article that said no one has successfully invaded afganistan since the mongol horde and genghis khan. thing is, we're not fighting a country. you can defeat a country. but we're fighting a movement that is intact in many countries...it's not a conventional war, it can't be fought in a conventional way. plus, we are dealing with civilians who don't want us there, who have to deal with tribes and groups who really run these villages, they have opposing views from us on a variety of subjects, including educating half their population. they just have to wait...within months of our leaving, it's all going to change again. we need to turn over the country to the un and get out. then the un will have to leave because the place will explode. but whether we wait one year, ten years...i don't think the outcome will be any different.

[Riot]

McChrystal met with the Joint Chiefs, then Obama, then "left abruptly" before the monthly Afghanistan meeting. He's gotta be out.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

McChrystal met with the Joint Chiefs, then Obama, then "left abruptly" before the monthly Afghanistan meeting. He's gotta be out.

I understand where Obama is coming from.. but it would be the wrong move to let the guy who put the whole plan together go. especially after actually reading the article and seeing it wasnt as bad as made out to be.

McChrystal has forgot more about the military and operations than our Commander in Chief will ever know.

[Danzig]

Relieved of his command. Replaced by petreus.