Arizona taking away constitutional rights?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

Under the jurisdiction of the Secret Service. As you point out:



The point is: who is in charge of American citizenship, naturalization, etc? The Feds.

Not the Lexington Police Department.

the fact is, local and state police investigate crimes of all types, including federal crimes. you're ignoring the fact that local, regional, city and state police investigate crimes of every persuasion, including federal crimes. why should immunity be sacrosanct? it shouldn't. however, the feds have already said they'll ignore anyone that az refers to them-which i find laughable. they're supposed to take care of immigration, but they say they won't-and they wonder why az felt the need to pass this law?!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

the fact is, local and state police investigate crimes of all types, including federal crimes. you're ignoring the fact that local, regional, city and state police investigate crimes of every persuasion, including federal crimes.

No, I'm not. Local and state police help the feds all the time. However, the law is federal law. The responsibility is federal responsibility.

We'll see what happens in court. I haven't seen any other arguments the feds will make.

I think states should make laws about federal income tax, and attempt to collect federal tax monies for the feds. Let's see how that goes over

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Riot

No, I'm not. Local and state police help the feds all the time. However, the law is federal law. The responsibility is federal responsibility.

We'll see what happens in court. I haven't seen any other arguments the feds will make.

I think states should make laws about federal income tax, and attempt to collect federal tax monies for the feds. Let's see how that goes over

So what should a state do if hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens are coming in? They shouldn't be allowed to do anything about it?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

So what should a state do if hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens are coming in? They shouldn't be allowed to do anything about it?

That's not the question, though, is it? Can a state usurp federal responsibility? Can a state print money? Collect federal income tax? Previous American Supreme Courts say no. See the Civil War for an example.

I am all against illegal aliens. The feds need to do far more. I think Arizona's law infringes upon the civil liberties of American citizens. I hope it's struck down.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Riot

That's not the question, though, is it? Can a state usurp federal responsibility? Can a state print money? Collect federal income tax? Previous American Supreme Courts say no. See the Civil War for an example.

I am all against illegal aliens. The feds need to do far more. I think Arizona's law infringes upon the civil liberties of American citizens. I hope it's struck down.

Of course that is the question. What can a state do if they are being overrun by illegal aliens? You are basically saying they shouldn't be able to do anything about it.

A state can't pass laws that are unconstitutional. But I personally don't think this law is unconstitutional. I guess the courts will decide but we both know that's it's just a matter of interpretation. One judge will say the law is fine while another will say it's not. It's lucky the Supreme Court has a smart majority right now.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Of course that is the question. What can a state do if they are being overrun by illegal aliens? You are basically saying they shouldn't be able to do anything about it.

Not at all. I am saying IMO they can't do "this" about it. As you say, we'll see. Wonder how long it will take to decide upon that.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Riot

Not at all. I am saying IMO they can't do "this" about it. As you say, we'll see. Wonder how long it will take to decide upon that.

Since you're not comfortable with this law, what would you be comfortable with allowing a state to do about the problem if the Feds did not help?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

No, I'm not. Local and state police help the feds all the time. However, the law is federal law. The responsibility is federal responsibility.

We'll see what happens in court. I haven't seen any other arguments the feds will make.

I think states should make laws about federal income tax, and attempt to collect federal tax monies for the feds. Let's see how that goes over

but, as i pointed out, the feds ask for, gladly accept assistance with many federal laws...this one should be treated no differently. it's not a special law. as i showed in posts above, local police investigate crimes, which may end up in federal court, fairly often. it's at the discretion of the district and states attorneys. it's not as tho police officers see a crime, or learn of a crime, say 'oh, it's federal', and ignore it. nor do they call the feds, and then forget about it. the feds don't have officers in every spot, ready at a moments' notice. if an investigation grows beyond a certain point, no doubt they step in. but for the most part, what i put above is true-the locals handle the investigation, and then turn the evidence over to the powers that be, who then decide on state or federal court. ignoring those facts won't make you right about who can investigate immigration violations. if the feds wish to argue it's theirs only to do, then they better show that's the case with all their federal laws. precedent has been set.