Eat Some Crow Cannon

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Give credit where credit is due is all. They bombed Halladay. Couldn't touch Ken yet no credit.

Why is it that I am a hater for saying that a guy that came into the game with a 4.80 era is not a real good major league pitcher? Please point out the back to back good games that he has had this year....

You know him, we get it. Tell him if he pitches like that I'll stop pointing out all his flaws...

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Why is it that I am a hater for saying that a guy that came into the game with a 4.80 era is not a real good major league pitcher? Please point out the back to back good games that he has had this year....

You know him, we get it. Tell him if he pitches like that I'll stop pointing out all his flaws...

Give me a break. When you have a few bad outings to start a season and your ERA balloons it takes a long time to get it down. He's down to 4.4 and like I said saying someone sucks when they are 25 is not giving them much of a chance. 30 and we will see. You may be right. Maybe I just don't give up on people so quickly. More faith.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Give me a break. When you have a few bad outings to start a season and your ERA balloons it takes a long time to get it down. He's down to 4.4 and like I said saying someone sucks when they are 25 is not giving them much of a chance. 30 and we will see. You may be right. Maybe I just don't give up on people so quickly. More faith.

His last start was against the Marlins
5 innings
6 hits
6 runs
4 bb's
2 k's


You can root for him all you want but he was better as a rookie than he is now. He has pitched close to 400 big league innings. He has a lifetime era of 4.69. That is a pretty big sample size.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

His last start was against the Marlins
5 innings
6 hits
6 runs
4 bb's
2 k's


You can root for him all you want but he was better as a rookie than he is now. He has pitched close to 400 big league innings. He has a lifetime era of 4.69. That is a pretty big sample size.

He plays in a Little League size park....We will look again in a few years.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

He plays in a Little League size park....We will look again in a few years.

lifetime record

home 16-8 era 4.58 Oba.278
away 11-8 era 4.81 Oba.300

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

lifetime record

home 16-8 era 4.58 Oba.278
away 11-8 era 4.81 Oba.300

So he is 27-16. Better even then I had thought....Imagine what he could do if he cheated like Clemens.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

So he is 27-16. Better even then I had thought....Imagine what he could do if he cheated like Clemens.

won/loss has a lot more to do with how many runs your team scores than how well you pitched. Of course anyone that insists that kyle kendrick is going to be some great pitcher when virtually all evidence points to the contrary may not understand that.

If he wants to stay in the big leagues I suggest he call Mr McNamara

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Why is it that I am a hater for saying that a guy that came into the game with a 4.80 era is not a real good major league pitcher? Please point out the back to back good games that he has had this year....

You know him, we get it. Tell him if he pitches like that I'll stop pointing out all his flaws...

Meanwhile ......Chuck who the hell is Daniel Nava and how the hell is he getting time, hitting .444 in left field for the Red Sox without a minor league career of significance?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by docicu3

Meanwhile ......Chuck who the hell is Daniel Nava and how the hell is he getting time, hitting .444 in left field for the Red Sox without a minor league career of significance?

It is a nice story but a mirage. He isnt a prospect.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

It is a nice story but a mirage. He isnt a prospect.

He isn't a prospect because prospects are young, developing players who learn the game. This kid is fk'n Roy Hobbs with mini seasons before being quickly moved up through the system to the bigs.

What would he have to hit with 250-300 AB's to exceed your predictions for him.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by docicu3

He isn't a prospect because prospects are young, developing players who learn the game. This kid is fk'n Roy Hobbs with mini seasons before being quickly moved up through the system to the bigs.

What would he have to hit with 250-300 AB's to exceed your predictions for him.

He is a switch hitter who makes a lot of contact. Based on reports he doesnt seem to be a very good runner or fielder. His AAA numbers minus say 15% would be a pretty good guess. At that level he was a .294/.364/.492. He had a 15/43 BB/K ratio there in 220Ab's. I would say if he hits .270/.320./.400 he will have a nice career as a 4th OF type somewhere but he isnt good enough to stick in Boston.

[docicu3]

I would say if he hits .270/.320./.400 he will have a nice career as a 4th OF type somewhere but he isnt good enough to stick in Boston.[/quote]


At present .360/ .407/ .680 albeit very early but normally rookies don't get off to this kind of start. If he is any where near these numbers in a month JE goes back in center and the kid gets a more extended look in left.

The town loves the kids humility. I agree it's fairy tale but until they find a hole in his swing to exploit the kid contributes nightly and is growing on people and deserves a chance until either he proves he can or can't play at this level.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by docicu3

At present .360/ .407/ .680 albeit very early but normally rookies don't get off to this kind of start. If he is any where near these numbers in a month JE goes back in center and the kid gets a more extended look in left.

The town loves the kids humility. I agree it's fairy tale but until they find a hole in his swing to exploit the kid contributes nightly and is growing on people and deserves a chance until either he proves he can or can't play at this level.

He can hit that's for sure. But can he hit on a consistent basis and hit with enough power to compensate for his other weaknesses? That is really the big question. It is a great story and though the law of averages probably gets to him at some point, switch hitters who can make contact like he does will always have a job somewhere.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He is a switch hitter who makes a lot of contact. Based on reports he doesnt seem to be a very good runner or fielder. His AAA numbers minus say 15% would be a pretty good guess. At that level he was a .294/.364/.492. He had a 15/43 BB/K ratio there in 220Ab's. I would say if he hits .270/.320./.400 he will have a nice career as a 4th OF type somewhere but he isnt good enough to stick in Boston.

This weeks roto geek Nava article depicting him as the #1 selection on the "All Joy" team.

At least someone else is smitten by this kid who is hitting just North of .300 with a bunch of doubles and RBI's but too many K's

For those interested:

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index...nd-first-pick/

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by docicu3

This weeks roto geek Nava article depicting him as the #1 selection on the "All Joy" team.

At least someone else is smitten by this kid who is hitting just North of .300 with a bunch of doubles and RBI's but too many K's

For those interested:

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index...nd-first-pick/

That was written in January. While Nava even being the bigs is due to an unusually high number of injuries to Red Sox outfielders, it nonetheless looks like a nice call by the author.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He is a switch hitter who makes a lot of contact. Based on reports he doesnt seem to be a very good runner or fielder. His AAA numbers minus say 15% would be a pretty good guess. At that level he was a .294/.364/.492. He had a 15/43 BB/K ratio there in 220Ab's. I would say if he hits .270/.320./.400 he will have a nice career as a 4th OF type somewhere but he isnt good enough to stick in Boston.

Nava is back from the dead playing left for Boston after being "designated for assignment" at the end of last year.

The kid is essentially a walk on to camp this year and is hitting .180 at Pawtucket after 2 weeks essentially as a DH, a month later he busts the average to .320 and gets called up where he's 8 for 12 OBP his first 12 AB's playing left field like Yaz. The team sucks but this kid is facinating the way he keeps bouncing back from being kicked off the roster....

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by docicu3

Nava is back from the dead playing left for Boston after being "designated for assignment" at the end of last year.

The kid is essentially a walk on to camp this year and is hitting .180 at Pawtucket after 2 weeks essentially as a DH, a month later he busts the average to .320 and gets called up where he's 8 for 12 OBP his first 12 AB's playing left field like Yaz. The team sucks but this kid is facinating the way he keeps bouncing back from being kicked off the roster....

He is hoping to become the new Matt Stairs

[witchdoctor]

Originally Posted by docicu3

Meanwhile ......Chuck who the hell is Daniel Nava and how the hell is he getting time, hitting .444 in left field for the Red Sox without a minor league career of significance?

check out the 5th post.
http://www.letstalkpitching.com/phpB...ic.php?t=13497