Let's Meet August 1st?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by asudevil

This morning I call a buddy of mine who lives in the DC area. We were chatting and I say did you catch that unbelievable race with Zenyatta? My friend is your typical sports fan who will only pay close attention to TC and BC races. He says I didn't even know she was running. Was there any non-track promotion or marketing of this event at all? Sportscenter? MSN, Yahoo? USA Today? Who is responsible from the PR side? Putting aside all the RA vs Zen, the surface, CA stuff....wouldn't the sport benefit if these races got national attention, especially given the streak.

The Vanity just does not bring along a ton of interest.

[golfer]

Jim Rome gave Vic's racecall national exposure today, obviously after the fact, but it's something.

[asudevil]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

The Vanity just does not bring along a ton of interest.

It's not the race, it's the star power, the mystique, and the thrill of the streak.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by asudevil

It's not the race, it's the star power, the mystique, and the thrill of the streak.

Which 12k people came out to witness. A high school football game in TX would get more.

[slotdirt]

I doubt you'd have to go as far as Texas to find a high school football game with 12k in attendance. Shoot, they get 30k to show up on some of their bigger occasions.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Which 12k people came out to witness. A high school football game in TX would get more.

go Isotopes !!

[Danzig]

yay dust mites.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by asudevil

It's not the race, it's the star power, the mystique, and the thrill of the streak.

nobody cares about that except horse racing fans. thats why we have HRTV and TVG. I imagine it was covered on one of those networks.

[Danzig]

If Zenyatta skips Del Mar, she could be sent to the East Coast, although Shirreffs seemed cool to that idea on Monday.

"How many times do you really want to cross the country," he said.



now, that's funny. she hasn't crossed the country yet!

[slotdirt]

What are you talking about? Arkansas has beautiful beaches.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

What are you talking about? Arkansas has beautiful beaches.

as nice as kentuckys?!

[PeteMugg]

Originally Posted by Danzig

If Zenyatta skips Del Mar, she could be sent to the East Coast, although Shirreffs seemed cool to that idea on Monday.

"How many times do you really want to cross the country," he said.



now, that's funny. she hasn't crossed the country yet!

Obviously you can't make Zenyatta face the boys or race on real dirt. But Rachel looks to be back near top form, I'm sure fans of both would love to see RA go west. RA has no streak on the line, nothing to lose by facing Z on her own terms. I say step up and make something happen. I'm a fan of both, but I think Rachel would win if they met at Del Mar.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by PeteMugg

Obviously you can't make Zenyatta face the boys or race on real dirt. But Rachel looks to be back near top form, I'm sure fans of both would love to see RA go west. RA has no streak on the line, nothing to lose by facing Z on her own terms. I say step up and make something happen. I'm a fan of both, but I think Rachel would win if they met at Del Mar.

yeah, that's not gonna happen. no way jess jackson made so much about not running on poly in the bc but will go ahead and do that now.

[PeteMugg]

Originally Posted by Danzig

yeah, that's not gonna happen. no way jess jackson made so much about not running on poly in the bc but will go ahead and do that now.

But that was after such a taxing campaign. Sometimes sport is just about being the bigger man and stepping up. The RA camp has the chance to say OK we're giving you every advantage and we're still gonna kick you ass.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by PeteMugg

Obviously you can't make Zenyatta face the boys or race on real dirt. But Rachel looks to be back near top form, I'm sure fans of both would love to see RA go west. RA has no streak on the line, nothing to lose by facing Z on her own terms. I say step up and make something happen. I'm a fan of both, but I think Rachel would win if they met at Del Mar.

You know what??? phuck it at this point. The Mosses are pussie, they are not coming across country, not even for the Classic. You're right Jackson really has nothing to lose at this point with Rachel. I say point Rachel towards the Pacific Classic, call Zenyatta out and take her out on her own track. And while shes at it take out all the top males on the used rubbers also. If she gets beat so what, its not her preferred surface and they can goat Zen to come to the Breeders cup and settle it once and for all on a conventional dirt surface in the Breeders cup, either it be the Classic or the distaff. This really isnt a half bad idea

[PeteMugg]

Originally Posted by kgar311

You know what??? phuck it at this point. The Mosses are pussie, they are not coming across country, not even for the Classic. You're right Jackson really has nothing to lose at this point with Rachel. I say point Rachel towards the Pacific Classic, call Zenyatta out and take her out on her own track. And while shes at it take out all the top males on the used rubbers also. If she gets beat so what, its not her preferred surface and they can goat Zen to come to the Breeders cup and settle it once and for all on a conventional dirt surface in the Breeders cup, either it be the Classic or the distaff. This really isnt a half bad idea

EXACTLY

[alysheba4]

Originally Posted by kgar311

You know what??? phuck it at this point. The Mosses are pussie, they are not coming across country, not even for the Classic. You're right Jackson really has nothing to lose at this point with Rachel. I say point Rachel towards the Pacific Classic, call Zenyatta out and take her out on her own track. And while shes at it take out all the top males on the used rubbers also. If she gets beat so what, its not her preferred surface and they can goat Zen to come to the Breeders cup and settle it once and for all on a conventional dirt surface in the Breeders cup, either it be the Classic or the distaff. This really isnt a half bad idea

the only time she did race on the poly it was huge......this whole thing is beyond tired anyway.

[mbahadur]

Originally Posted by Danzig

If Zenyatta skips Del Mar, she could be sent to the East Coast, although Shirreffs seemed cool to that idea on Monday.

"How many times do you really want to cross the country," he said.



now, that's funny. she hasn't crossed the country yet!

It does not sound like Del Mar is a done deal per Jay Hovdey DRF blog:

"You would think. Moss, clearly the more adventurous of the two, was floored by the rock star reception Zenyatta received at Oaklawn Park, were she won the Apple Blossom in April, as well as enlightened by its physical effects on his mare.

"I didn't realize how much trips take out of the horse," Moss said. "And it's not just preparing for the race. It's the crowd, and the people that gather around her all the time. We saw that at Oaklawn Park, and we really hadn't thought about it before. You can put up a screen, like John does. But she's still aware there's something going on. There a lot of energy generated. As far as racing elsewhere, we did think about trying to do other things, and we still might. There's options. I wouldn't pay too much attention to Del Mar being a solid item. There's no commitments there."

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by mbahadur

It does not sound like Del Mar is a done deal per Jay Hovdey DRF blog:



"I didn't realize how much trips take out of the horse," Moss said. "And it's not just preparing for the race. It's the crowd, and the people that gather around her all the time. We saw that at Oaklawn Park, and we really hadn't thought about it before. You can put up a screen, like John does. But she's still aware there's something going on. There a lot of energy generated. As far as racing elsewhere, we did think about trying to do other things, and we still might. There's options. I wouldn't pay too much attention to Del Mar being a solid item. There's no commitments there."

Clearly you are not from California, thus I will give you an approximate translation, going from Zenyatta speak to English.

When Moss says "I didn't realize how much trips take out of the horse," what he's really saying is "Of course we know what shipping does, because we've had top flight horses for years and have shipped enough times to know"

He then finishes the thought by blathering "And it's not just preparing for the race. It's the crowd, and the people that gather around her all the time. We saw that at Oaklawn Park, and we really hadn't thought about it before. You can put up a screen, like John does. But she's still aware there's something going on. There a lot of energy generated."

What he's really saying is "I'm really completely full of ****. We realize that star horses have shipped to other tracks before, with far bigger crowds and far more energy going through the crowd. The Breeders Cup for instance! We know that big name horses ship from not only across the country, but also from entirely different continents! We are just acting like overawed white trash who just hit it big on Wheel of Fortune because we are trying to deflect attention away from just how lame we really are. After all, our horse really isn't the first horse in history to be affected by 'crowd energy', is it?!"


Then the coup de grace.

"As far as racing elsewhere, we did think about trying to do other things, and we still might. There's options. I wouldn't pay too much attention to Del Mar being a solid item. There's no commitments there."

What he's really saying is that "yes, we did think about trying to do other things, and because we are such complete pussies, we dismissed it. Of course, we still might think of doing other things, but only if there is enough public outcry at our lack of initiative and imagination.

There's options. We can run at Del Mar, or wait for Santa Anita. I wouldn't pay much attention to Del Mar being a solid item, because we are going to run there and there is no point in paying any attention to anything that we say about that. There's no commitments there either. We are likely to run against fillies, but if Quality Road has a bigger lead in the race for HOY, that opens the door slightly for us to run in the Pacific Classic, but only if Rail Trip is on the shelf again by then. Of course, as I said a few seconds ago, we could also just run at Santa Anita. After all, Zenyatta hates the Del Mar surface. "

Do you understand what he was actually saying now?

[Arletta]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Clearly you are not from California, thus I will give you an approximate translation, going from Zenyatta speak to English.

When Moss says "I didn't realize how much trips take out of the horse," what he's really saying is "Of course we know what shipping does, because we've had top flight horses for years and have shipped enough times to know"

He then finishes the thought by blathering "And it's not just preparing for the race. It's the crowd, and the people that gather around her all the time. We saw that at Oaklawn Park, and we really hadn't thought about it before. You can put up a screen, like John does. But she's still aware there's something going on. There a lot of energy generated."

What he's really saying is "I'm really completely full of ****. We realize that star horses have shipped to other tracks before, with far bigger crowds and far more energy going through the crowd. The Breeders Cup for instance! We know that big name horses ship from not only across the country, but also from entirely different continents! We are just acting like overawed white trash who just hit it big on Wheel of Fortune because we are trying to deflect attention away from just how lame we really are. After all, our horse really isn't the first horse in history to be affected by 'crowd energy', is it?!"


Then the coup de grace.

"As far as racing elsewhere, we did think about trying to do other things, and we still might. There's options. I wouldn't pay too much attention to Del Mar being a solid item. There's no commitments there."

What he's really saying is that "yes, we did think about trying to do other things, and because we are such complete pussies, we dismissed it. Of course, we still might think of doing other things, but only if there is enough public outcry at our lack of initiative and imagination.

There's options. We can run at Del Mar, or wait for Santa Anita. I wouldn't pay much attention to Del Mar being a solid item, because we are going to run there and there is no point in paying any attention to anything that we say about that. There's no commitments there either. We are likely to run against fillies, but if Quality Road has a bigger lead in the race for HOY, that opens the door slightly for us to run in the Pacific Classic, but only if Rail Trip is on the shelf again by then. Of course, as I said a few seconds ago, we could also just run at Santa Anita. After all, Zenyatta hates the Del Mar surface. "

Do you understand what he was actually saying now?