Ahhhhh she did it!!!!

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by CSC

I thought you were better than this, my toy is bigger than yours...Your handicapping method here is so simplistic it's silly, where did you get this from a 4 yr child?

As opposed to "she's never lost so that totally means she's the bestest!!!!"?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by CSC

I thought you were better than this, my toy is bigger than yours...Your handicapping method here is so simplistic it's silly, where did you get this from a 4 yr child?

oh, and it wasn't my 'handicapping method'. i know some pointed out that rachel ran her 9 faster than blame, so it seemed obvious that this time would come up as well, zens vs rail trip. may be a bit simplistic, but it's also a measurable fact.

oh, and by the way:

HOL-Californian S (G2): Rail Trip 108 (R. Ellis/R. Bejarano)

HOL_Vanity H (G1): Zenyatta 103 (J. Shirreffs/M. Smith)


but i'm sure that's being simplistic as well....

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Danzig

oh, and it wasn't my 'handicapping method'. i know some pointed out that rachel ran her 9 faster than blame, so it seemed obvious that this time would come up as well, zens vs rail trip. may be a bit simplistic, but it's also a measurable fact.

oh, and by the way:

HOL-Californian S (G2): Rail Trip 108 (R. Ellis/R. Bejarano)

HOL_Vanity H (G1): Zenyatta 103 (J. Shirreffs/M. Smith)


but i'm sure that's being simplistic as well....

All the figs say are they are in the same ballpark, on synth you have to view them with a much broader view. Zenyatta ran a 12.03 final 8th, where Rail Trip ran 12.87 carrying 11lbs less. On synth these are when races are usually won.

Regardless, I agree with Mike Smith's comments after the race, she may have needed this race and believe it or not she may move fwd from this race, in addition Moss was quoted as saying Delmar was not written in stone via Hovday. We will see.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by CSC

All the figs say are they are in the same ballpark, on synth you have to view them with a much broader view. Zenyatta ran a 12.03 final 8th, where Rail Trip ran 12.87 carrying 11lbs less. On synth these are when races are usually won.

Regardless, I agree with Mike Smith's comments after the race, she may have needed this race and believe it or not she may move fwd from this race, in addition Moss was quoted as saying Delmar was not written in stone via Hovday. We will see.

yeah, i noted their comments she had lost weight, and her works were slower than normal. hopefully all is well, and she won't take the usual tack....this mare needs to go in the pac classic if she runs at del mar.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Danzig

rachel won her race faster than blame.
zenyatta on the other hand ran slower than rail trip.

now, props to her consistency for going 17-0. but consistency and greatness aren't interchangeable words. one of congaree's best races, the one in which everyone's respect for him grew, was his nose loss to milwaukee brew in the big 'cap.

Zen and Blame had to actually compete.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Zen and Blame had to actually compete.

wait...so, you're saying they ran more slowly because they had competition?? had they had no one to chase down, they'd have run faster? hmm, thanks for clearing that up.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Danzig

wait...so, you're saying they ran more slowly because they had competition?? had they had no one to chase down, they'd have run faster? hmm, thanks for clearing that up.

I'm saying if you put in that horse that Baffert won the SAH with, then Rachel, or Rail Trip will get eatin' up late (especially at 10f) by Zenyatta (or Blame.) When these two you're talking about get to lay off a moderate pace, then it's all about whether they feel competition when they engage for the lead. If they get in the 5 mil race, they will either have to go faster (in the middle) than they want to, or they will have company when they go for the lead at the top of the stretch. Neither want 10f, so they will get run by (like the 8-9f lover Gio Ponte did when she had 10f to get him.) She's run down anything put in front of her so far, but keep trying animals. We'll see. She's the best competitor I have ever seen. Whether she could beat other really good 10f horses of the past? I don't know. She'd sure try. I don't think anyone was gunna beat Curlin the day he won the B.C. Classic. See, this is what people do when they hate a horse. They start trying to run it against horses from the past.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I'm saying if you put in that horse that Baffert won the SAH with, then Rachel, or Rail Trip will get eatin' up late (especially at 10f) by Zenyatta (or Blame.) When these two you're talking about get to lay off a moderate pace, then it's all about whether they feel competition when they engage for the lead.

Misremembered... He is better on dirt, check out his Clark... He was injured, working back now I think

[ManilaRose]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

They start trying to run it against horses from the past.

It's difficult to know how "The Queen" would stack up against top horses from the past when the connections aren't even willing to find out how she stacks up to the best horses of the present more than once per year.

[ARyan]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Now that the (super impressive) win record is in the bag … there's really only one more major goal for Z this season …defending her BCC title.

Forget about this RA … if they want a piece of Z let them come to Cali.

And forget about the subjective HotY award … it has already been cheapened too much over the years with selections like FT and RA.


The real goal now is taking down back-to-back Classics.

First 6-year-old to win the great American race … and the first to do it on different surfaces


That's some SERIOUS stuff right there, kids.


Needless to say, though, it won't be easy … the odds are clearly against her.

But Shirreffs has to keep his eye on the ball now … and do the best that he can to get her to the Downs in the best possible condition...



17-0

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Now that the (super impressive) win record is in the bag … there's really only one more major goal for Z this season …defending her BCC title.

Forget about this RA … if they want a piece of Z let them come to Cali.

And forget about the subjective HotY award … it has already been cheapened too much over the years with selections like FT and RA.


The real goal now is taking down back-to-back Classics.

First 6-year-old to win the great American race … and the first to do it on different surfaces


That's some SERIOUS stuff right there, kids.


Needless to say, though, it won't be easy … the odds are clearly against her.

But Shirreffs has to keep his eye on the ball now … and do the best that he can to get her to the Downs in the best possible condition...



17-0

Oh No! Gotta fly over 'Dem ROCKIES to get there!

[ARyan]

Originally Posted by Left Bank

Oh No! Gotta fly over D'em ROCKIES to get there!

I once had an as rabid Zenyatta fan as Smoothie Poo here tell me that Zen "loves to fly, absolutly, loves it!"

I wonder if the connections scheduled her a nice airplane ride as a prize for the win yesterday.

Have to love these crazy Zen fans. If anything, they sure do provide some laughs.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by ARyan

I once had an as rabid Zenyatta fan as Smoothie Poo here tell me that Zen "loves to fly, absolutly, loves it!"

I wonder if the connections scheduled her a nice airplane ride as a prize for the win yesterday.

Have to love these crazy Zen fans. If anything, they sure do provide some laughs.

No, the view from here is just fine, how does the view look to you? Don't hurt your neck from looking up too much with that glorifed gr.2 win.

[ARyan]

Originally Posted by CSC

No, the view from here is just fine, how does the view look to you? Don't hurt your neck from looking up too much with that glorifed gr.2 win.

Thanks for proving my point...

Also, I'm not Jess Jackson, or Steve Assmussen, or anyone involved in that camp, so exactly why would I hurt my neck imagining to look up...just curious...