Muslims have gone too far

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

She has to listen to the Spin Doctors Greatest Hits and get back to us on that.

Just remember that the KKK is an equal threat to radical Islam in this day and age. No I'm not being sarcastic! There are 6000 KKK members in the world! And they've gone global.

Yeah...I'm being sarcastic. Maybe those of you who believed the comparison was warranted should do the rest of us a favor and kill yourself.

That would be an excellent point if anyone had actually tried to make that claim. "Over the years," does not equal "in this day and age."

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

That would be an excellent point if anyone had actually tried to make that claim. "Over the years," does not equal "in this day and age."

You would have to go back to the 1920's to compare and even then you would look like an imbecile. There is no comparison to radical Islam and the KKK.

The KKK was national with a dash of Canadia. Radical Islam is worldwide and killing far more people than the KKK ever did.

It's like comparing the Chicago Bulls during Jordan's era to the Washington Generals.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

You would have to go back to the 1920's to compare and even then you would look like an imbecile. There is no comparison to radical Islam and the KKK.

The KKK was national with a dash of Canadia. Radical Islam is worldwide and killing far more people than the KKK ever did.

It's like comparing the Chicago Bulls during Jordan's era to the Washington Generals.

Even then, you're still arguing against a straw man that you've created to argue against, not a point that anyone actually made as far as I can tell.

Riot or Antitrust never said anything about the scope being the same. Killing because someone believes that a deity or holy book implores them to is the point, which is a perfectly valid point. If someone starts claiming that the scope is the same, then you're all set and should be able to just copy/paste the things you're posting right now, as they'll come in handy when someone actually starts having that discussion.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Even then, you're still arguing against a straw man that you've created to argue against, not a point that anyone actually made as far as I can tell.

Riot or Antitrust never said anything about the scope being the same. Killing because someone believes that a deity or holy book implores them to is the point, which is a perfectly valid point. If someone starts claiming that the scope is the same, then you're all set and should be able to just copy/paste the things you're posting right now, as they'll come in handy when someone actually starts having that discussion.

Radical Muslims = KKK = Crusades = Nazi's = Stalin = Catholic Priests who molest kids = all shi.tbags.

different scales, same hate.

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Even then, you're still arguing against a straw man that you've created to argue against, not a point that anyone actually made as far as I can tell.

Riot or Antitrust never said anything about the scope being the same. Killing because someone believes that a deity or holy book implores them to is the point, which is a perfectly valid point. If someone starts claiming that the scope is the same, then you're all set and should be able to just copy/paste the things you're posting right now, as they'll come in handy when someone actually starts having that discussion.

It was a comparison of a mostly regional hate group to a worldwide movement of radical Islam.

It was a blatant attempt at downplaying what's going on RIGHT NOW in the world we live in.

When the KKK gets influence and in some aspects complete control of governments like radical Islam has then get back to me with the B.S. comparison/downplay.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

It was a comparison of a mostly regional hate group to a worldwide movement of radical Islam.

I'm not sure everyone is reading it that way, since it was a comparison of people who kill because they claim that their religion tells them to...the scope is irrelevant to such a comparison -- in fact, of the four people talking about this right now, you're the only one who read it that way. I know it's Riot, so a question of giving her the benefit of the doubt is entirely out of the question by default, but it seems like a bit of a stretch to take the words she wrote and extend them into the argument you claim those words were making.

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I'm not sure everyone is reading it that way, since it was a comparison of people who kill because they claim that their religion tells them to...the scope is irrelevant to such a comparison -- in fact, of the four people talking about this right now, you're the only one who read it that way. I know it's Riot, so a question of giving her the benefit of the doubt is entirely out of the question by default, but it seems like a bit of a stretch to take the words she wrote and extend them into the argument you claim those words were making.

It was downplaying of what's going on in today's world, Brian. The KKK is practically disbanded now.

The law of averages are going to show that most, if not all, religions have hate groups. That's not the issue.

The issue in this thread is Muslim hate groups. There are far more dangerous hate groups on that side of the fence than Christians.

When you compare the two present day...which one is making waves globally? Which one has tech savvy people at their disposal? Which one has a higher number of lost souls willing to die for the cause?

The fact that the first Christian hate group mentioned is the KKK should put some perspective into the dire situation we're facing today. Muslim extremists make the KKK look like slapdicks.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

It was downplaying of what's going on in today's world, Brian. The KKK is practically disbanded now.

The law of averages are going to show that most, if not all, religions have hate groups. That's not the issue.

The issue in this thread is Muslim hate groups. There are far more dangerous hate groups on that side of the fence than Christians.

When you compare the two present day...which one is making waves globally? Which one has tech savvy people at their disposal? Which one has a higher number of lost souls willing to die for the cause?

The fact that the first Christian hate group mentioned is the KKK should put some perspective into the dire situation we're facing today. Muslim extremists make the KKK look like slapdicks.

Well then you and I, and others, certainly read the original post differently, because I still think you're making a big leap to connect the original post to the mostly salient points you're making now.

Nothing about that leap makes the points you're making incorrect, or the type that I even necessarily disagree with when we're talking about scope -- but as far as I can tell, it's a conversation that you introduced to this thread, not Riot, because you two are not talking about the same thing at all. The fact that the scope is greater now doesn't invalidate her original post in any way about people of all religions using their religion to justify that. These two conversations are not mutually exclusive.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

The issue in this thread is Muslim hate groups.

No, the issue on this thread is hating Muslims. Keep up.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I'm not sure everyone is reading it that way, since it was a comparison of people who kill because they claim that their religion tells them to...the scope is irrelevant to such a comparison -- in fact, of the four people talking about this right now, you're the only one who read it that way. I know it's Riot, so a question of giving her the benefit of the doubt is entirely out of the question by default, but it seems like a bit of a stretch to take the words she wrote and extend them into the argument you claim those words were making.

to be honest I dont care if people use religion or not as their excuse. Stalin as far as I know wasnt using religion as his excuse, Hitler either, eventhough he used that as propaganda. All the same to me. People get all fanatical about their books and what people in robes tell them.. so it makes sense that a lot of violence is centered around these religions.

Of course the KKK example a down play. Right now the biggest threat on this earth to our well being is Radical Muslims. They are a larger and scarier brand of terrorists than KKK members of 50 years ago, but I think the mind set is all similar.