Zenyatta v. Rail Trip?? - Page 6

Indian Charlie · #**102** 05-10-2010, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

BTW's "I" collection:

I promise you will no longer be losing money on him. but suggesting I have in any way " pissed " on this takes the cake.

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Has anyone recently told you lately that you are maybe a bit nuts?

Indian Charlie · #**103** 05-10-2010, 01:22 AM

Byk, I'm beggin you man.

PLEASE, do not pull that post!

That's an all time great WTF post!

That's like the greatest Hindenburg post evah! We're talkin 3 Mile Island meltdown.

OMG.

SCUDSBROTHER · #**104** 05-10-2010, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Byk, I'm beggin you man.

PLEASE, do not pull that post!

That's an all time great WTF post!

That's like the greatest Hindenburg post evah! We're talkin 3 Mile Island meltdown.

OMG.

No, it's simply evidence, because I don't just say sht without backing it up with examples. Yea, on here, it's considered "nuts." Look at what you just wrote. Not one bit of evidence. Only claims by someone acting in a confident way. That's all it takes on here. .."That's"....."That's Like"..."OMG"....See, all very convincing style, but no facts..none.

SCUDSBROTHER · #**105** 05-10-2010, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Has anyone recently told you lately that you are maybe a bit nuts?

Yes, you keep saying it, and the like. Never backin' it up with anything but a confident sour style. You just called me nuts. Facts are not listed. It's like you're fkn God...People should just accept it, because you're so special? "Holy Cow," and "WOW" aren't facts, sir. You have this in common with BTW. Just act shocked, and put a couple "I'm shocked n' dismayed" words out there, and hope others act shocked n' dismayed. You complain about my poor communication skills, but your opinion of yourself is so fkn out of control that you don't see fit to document much of anything. People should agree with you, because, well, you're special. No need to back anything up. Just claim something. i.e. "You're Nuts" Why am I nuts for not just expecting people to agree? I don't do that. I give them something to examine on their own. That's not how many of you work. You do what you just did. You make unsubstantiated claims in a confident way. People are convinced, because you simply have a very convincing style. You call someone nuts in a very convincing style. If I call someone nuts, I base it on something. I put it up to be seen. You're more apt to simply attack them for doubting someone so g d smart as you. Right? How dare they doubt you. Call me what you want, but this guy has Narcissistic tendencies. This is a subject I know about, and you don't. Say " WOW" all you want, but then go look up the disorder. There are reasons why people have a certain bullying style.

Indian Charlie · #**106** 05-10-2010, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Yes, you keep saying it, and the like. Never backin' it up with anything but a confident sour style. You just called me nuts. Facts are not listed? It's like you're fkn God...People should just accept it, because you're so special?

Do you really want me to give everyone here details about the hows and whys explaining my belief that you are nuts?

That Dodge Viper you had back in the day sure was a sweet car for cruising.

SCUDSBROTHER · #**107** 05-10-2010, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Do you really want me to give everyone here details about the hows and whys explaining my belief that you are nuts?

That Dodge Viper you had back in the day sure was a sweet car for cruising.

Dude, say what you got to say. This high school bully **** you do is old. You have no facts. I barely spoke to you. We had one common friend. You have 2nd hand information from someone who was a known liar, and is dead. I've never had a Viper. So, that's one lie. Lets see how many more ya got. Just get it out. You seem to think my life is was sooo fkn interesting or something 20 years ago. All I mainly remember is being stuck in that lab working to pay for that car. I mean, both of you seemed jealous that I started working before you guys, and had that car. Go ahead, write. Get your facts right though. You're not good about being sure about the facts. You like 2nd hand stuff. Go ahead.

johnny pinwheel · #**108** 05-10-2010, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Something went wrong with RA? She's still running > 100 Beyers, isn't she? Which means she still FASTER than Z (and thus better).

I don't know what you're talking about, Willis.

you forgot the one about where she can't beat rail trip. i heard shes ducking him because hes so good

. someone on here is talking about facts. how about the fact that the whole idea of this thread is "factless". rail trip is scaring them away now....wait a minute , who did not show up in arkansas last month?

miraja2 · #**109** 05-10-2010, 07:13 AM

I am pretty far from being a big Zenyatta fan, but comparing her to that stupid, worthless, piece-of-crap, New Mexico horse - even in jest - is just going way too far.
Zenyatta's connections did make two different attempts to run their horse against the best out there: the BCC and the Apple Blossom. In one instance she ran against the worst BCC field ever on her preferred surface, and in the other one nobody ended up showing up to run against her. Those are hardly the connections' fault.

I actually still like Zenyatta....despite her ardent fans' inadvertent attempts to force me to root for her to lose (just so they will shut the hell up).

Danzig · #**110** 05-10-2010, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

you forgot the one about where she can't beat rail trip. i heard shes ducking him because hes so good

. someone on here is talking about facts. how about the fact that the whole idea of this thread is "factless". rail trip is scaring them away now....wait a minute , who did not show up in arkansas last month?

rail trip??

thing is, much as zenyatta has done, you have to admit she hasn't done it vs much, and that better races could have been found to showcase her amazing talents. if you want all the marbles, you have to go after them-they haven't. most of her races have been vs suspect competition. yes, she raced what showed up, but she only went out of her usual restricted competition once. why not again? i'm hoping once they break the winning streak, and one assumes she will (i posted once, some time back that maybe she'd stay around long enough to do so), that they try something different again.

cmorioles · #**111** 05-10-2010, 07:32 AM

Back to the topic, are people really excited about Rail Trip? The same Rail Trip that won against stiffs while tracking a pace similar to those set in two earlier maiden claiming races on the card?

Antitrust32 · #**112** 05-10-2010, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Cardus

I routinely forget that racing is all about the Breeders' Cup. I better get on board, and quick.

you know what.. maybe the BC committee making the BC permanently at Santa Anita and making it irrelevant would be the best possible decision the BC committee could make to change horse racing for the better.

CSC · #**113** 05-10-2010, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles

Back to the topic, are people really excited about Rail Trip? The same Rail Trip that won against stiffs while tracking a pace similar to those set in two earlier maiden claiming races on the card?

Add on Ellis is usually great off long layoffs.

Antitrust32 · #**114** 05-10-2010, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by v j stauffer

Have started thinking about what to say if she wins her 17th. Any suggestions?

And ZENYATTA joins the immortal Peppers Pride in the record books!

CSC · #**115** 05-10-2010, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

And ZENYATTA joins the immortal Peppers Pride in the record books!

Well to be accurate, she will pass Cigar and Citation, she has a ways to go before catching PP for all time win streak.

However the way the year is shaping up, if she gets that far wouldn't it be exciting if she were to break that dubious record at CD this fall in the classic ending her career 20 for 20?

fpsoxfan · #**116** 05-10-2010, 09:10 AM

Wow..just got through this thread. Could be a top-5.

blackthroatedwind · #**117** 05-10-2010, 09:57 AM

I found it hilarious.

the_fat_man · #**118** 05-10-2010, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles

Back to the topic, are people really excited about Rail Trip? The same Rail Trip that won against stiffs while tracking a pace similar to those set in two earlier maiden claiming races on the card?

Consider the following: with THIS jock, Rail Trip can get that 'trip' EVERY time. This is the trip he got when he went 10F --- distance challenged that he is.

Which means that, if ridden correctly, he can basically control any race. More precisely, he can keep a race from collapsing by not moving too soon and forcing the off the pacers to do all their own running. This assumes, of course, that it'll be a reasonably small field. In a large(r) field, it's almost guaranteed that a couple of idiots will move too soon and collapse the race. This, btw, was the trip that RA could've gotten in the BC.

I certainly don't think that RT can beat Z; especially at 10F. Going shorter, however, and in a small field, with a perfect ride, he'd be a challenge.

the_fat_man · #**119** 05-10-2010, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

I actually still like RA....despite her ardent fans' inadvertent attempts to force me to root for her to win (just so they will shut the hell up).

Fixed that for you.

cmorioles · #**120** 05-10-2010, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Consider the following: with THIS jock, Rail Trip can get that 'trip' EVERY time. This is the trip he got when he went 10F --- distance challenged that he is.

Which means that, if ridden correctly, he can basically control any race. More precisely, he can keep a race from collapsing by not moving too soon and forcing the off the pacers to do all their own running. This assumes, of course, that it'll be a reasonably small field. In a large(r) field, it's almost guaranteed that a couple of idiots will move too soon and collapse the race. This, btw, was the trip that RA could've gotten in the BC.

I certainly don't think that RT can beat Z; especially at 10F. Going shorter, however, and in a small field, with a perfect ride, he'd be a challenge.

I don't see how he can get that trip if there is other decent speed in the race. Exactly once has he been rated off the pace and farther back than second, and while he ran ok he still lost to Einstein and Richard's Kid. He is not going to get that slow pace while still sitting second in a G1 race.

He has shown in the past to be able to run faster early and still run a good race. My only point is the "great comeback" was nothing more than a workout. He only ran for the last 1/4 or so.