Obama: Arizona law securing borders is "misguided"

Riot · #2 05-02-2010, 09:41 PM

All the good citizens of Arizona are rushing around making copies of their birth certificates and passports, eager to comply with this new law, having to prove their citizenship upon demand from a local cop when they get stopped for speeding.

nomad · #3 05-02-2010, 09:57 PM

They shouldn't be speeding

Riot · #4 05-02-2010, 10:06 PM

That's not the point, is it?

letswastemoney · #5 05-03-2010, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Riot

All the good citizens of Arizona are rushing around making copies of their birth certificates and passports, eager to comply with this new law, having to prove their citizenship upon demand from a local cop when they get stopped for speeding.

All of us have to carry a driver's license anyway. All of us carry our insurance papers in the car.

Is it really a big deal to leave a copy of your birth certificate/passport by the car insurance papers? I don't think it would be.

Princess Doreen · #6 05-03-2010, 06:38 AM

I'm just a natural at picking a fight on the opposing team's bench.

Antitrust32 · #7 05-03-2010, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney

All of us have to carry a driver's license anyway. All of us carry our insurance papers in the car.

Is it really a big deal to leave a copy of your birth certificate/passport by the car insurance papers? I don't think it would be.

they really need a birth certificate? Wouldnt a drivers license be enough proof?

Riot · #8 05-03-2010, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney

All of us have to carry a driver's license anyway. All of us carry our insurance papers in the car.

Is it really a big deal to leave a copy of your birth certificate/passport by the car insurance papers? I don't think it would be.

You know, it is for me. I don't like the local government intrusion. I don't want the local government to expand it's powers. I don't want big government, even locally. They aren't the feds. It's none of their business. The local cops have no business determining my citizenship any more than they have business determining if my federal taxes have been paid, or having anything to do with my social security payments.

I don't like, as an American citizen, being questioned as to whether I am, by people whose job it is not to determine that. They are free to run me for wants & warrants.

There is no guarantee whatsoever as to the quality of local cops or sheriffs, and it varies alot by local. Some are simply scary. That's not such a problem with Immigration, Federal Marshals, FBI, etc. I've been through the usual checkpoints in Arizona and NM and had my car searched, been questioned, etc. I don't have a problem with that.

As a small aside, for identity theft, no, I wouldn't leave a copy of my birth certificate or a passport in a car glove box.

Honu · #9 05-03-2010, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot

You know, it is for me. I don't like the local government intrusion. I don't want the local government to expand it's powers. I don't want big government, even locally. They aren't the feds. It's none of their business. The local cops have no business determining my citizenship any more than they have business determining if my federal taxes have been paid, or having anything to do with my social security payments.

I don't like, as an American citizen, being questioned as to whether I am, by people whose job it is not to determine that. They are free to run me for wants & warrants.

There is no guarantee whatsoever as to the quality of local cops or sheriffs, and it varies alot by local. Some are simply scary. That's not such a problem with Immigration, Federal Marshals, FBI, etc. I've been through the usual checkpoints in Arizona and NM and had my car searched, been questioned, etc. I don't have a problem with that.

As a small aside, for identity theft, no, I wouldn't leave a copy of my birth certificate or a passport in a car glove box.

National I.D cards issued by the feds would solve alot of issues , I dont have a problem with showing any officer of the law that I am a legal U.S. resident.
Even easier dont issue drivers liscence's to anyone who deosnt have a working visa or a green card . Dont issue social security cards to non citizens( which the feds do) I mean what the hell is up with that ?
I know its to collect tax money from them while they are working here but really they should be able to figure out some other way than giving someone a S.S. number.

Danzig · #10 05-04-2010, 04:10 AM

i don't see how issuing national i.d. cards will solve anything. i think drivers licenses were treated as such, til states started issuing them to non-citizens. as for broadening police powers-people are in a huff because they think a cop will pull over someone to make sure they aren't here illegally, yet cops can pull you over for suspecting you're not wearing a seatbelt! i think the broadening of powers began years ago, with laws such as that. illegal search and seizure laws ignored for kids at school, etc, etc. is arizonas law misguided? maybe. do i understand why they're making the attempt? absolutely. tax revenue is down, many states are in the worst financial shape imaginable. when you look at the drain on states, you can see why some are attempting to make sure they're paying money on citizens. then there's the crime, drug smuggling and resultant violence...it's easy to crack jokes and such, but there really is a serious problem there. but i don't know that they have struck on the right solution.
it doesn't help tho when the feds attack az's attempt, without offering a solution of their own. if the feds are supposed to protect our borders, and take care of immigration issues, they should start working on this problem.

AeWingnut · #11 05-04-2010, 05:41 AM

I believe Arizona, Texas, etc have a solution to the problem. They just start busing all the illegals to San Fransissyco

SOREHOOF · #12 05-04-2010, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

i don't see how issuing national i.d. cards will solve anything. i think drivers licenses were treated as such, til states started issuing them to non-citizens. as for broadening police powers-people are in a huff because they think a cop will pull over someone to make sure they aren't here illegally, yet cops can pull you over for suspecting you're not wearing a seatbelt! i think the broadening of powers began years ago, with laws such as that. illegal search and seizure laws ignored for kids at school, etc, etc. is arizonas law misguided? maybe. do i understand why they're making the attempt? absolutely. tax revenue is down, many states are in the worst financial shape imaginable. when you look at the drain on states, you can see why some are attempting to make sure they're paying money on citizens. then there's the crime, drug smuggling and resultant violence...it's easy to crack jokes and such, but there really is a serious problem there. but i don't know that they have struck on the right solution.
it doesn't help tho when the feds attack az's attempt, without offering a solution of their own. if the feds are supposed to protect our borders, and take care of immigration issues, they should start working on this problem.

You are so right. When Obama attacks the law as "misguided" (did he say "irresponsible"?) I get the impression that he doesn't realize there are Federal Laws on the books that are almost the same. I also realize he has little or no respect for the laws of this country in general or the Constitution in particular.