DERBY 136: Jocks nearly finalized; Bejarano gets Line of David.. - Page 4

10 pnt move up · #61 04-20-2010, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninetoone

So, on the off chance that Setsuko gets in, who rides him?

there is no chance he can get in IMO

#62 04-20-2010, 05:33 PM

Jon Court was gracious as usual.

You stay classy, Sadler.

Merlinsky · #63 04-20-2010, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept

John Sadler has secured Rafael Bejarano to ride Line of David bumping Jon Court.

Crap. When it went on like that with nothing firm, I got the feeling it wasn't gonna work out. Can I just ask, is there something Jon's got against him that keeps some trainer from wanting him? I mean are these just the breaks and it's nothing personal, or is there something that he needs to do that he isn't doing?

the_fat_man · #64 04-20-2010, 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept

For those that don't understand why Homeboy Kris is running, Louie Lazzinaro ("Sergio's guy") doesn't expect to stay heavily involved in the sport with his close friend Bobby Frankel having passed. He is not outrageously wealthy with money to burn chasing a Derby dream like a Ken Ramsey. He simply wants to be able to experience having a horse in the Derby knowing there almost certainly will never be another chance for him. It's as simple as that and I doubt any one of us would feel differently if the opportunity came our way.

Racing needs to follow the marathon model. If a bunch of spastics want to run in the marathon against world class runners, NO PROBLEM, say the, for example, NY Marathon bigwigs. We'll start you AFTER the world class group, so you don't get in their way, let them run like athletes while you do the Special Olympian thing and let them collect their money for running well.

Problem with the Derby is that the Special Olympian horses get in the way of the better horses' chances of winning the race. We don't need 5 speed horses and 5 pick up the pieces after EVERYONE else has run types. Which, I suppose makes the race interesting if you're better 150 combos but not bettable if you're trying to make some money. In other words, Homeboy Kris' connections would probably be better served looking into a match race situation with Sweetnorthernsaint -- you know, the horse that, more often than not, impedes itself at the gate. I know I'd pay good money to see that one.

johnny pinwheel · #65 04-20-2010, 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

What are you talking about?

hes talking about betting rachel at 2-5 again and making excuses for why she lost last time...bad jockey instructions........lol. go ahead bet her its great value....lol

AeWingnut · #66 04-20-2010, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Merlinsky

Crap. When it went on like that with nothing firm, I got the feeling it wasn't gonna work out. Can I just ask, is there something Jon's got against him that keeps some trainer from wanting him? I mean are these just the breaks and it's nothing personal, or is there something that he needs to do that he isn't doing?

Right after the Arkansas Derby I kinda got the feeling that Sadler didn't like the way he won. He said something like, "well I wanted the lead" can't remember but it sounded more like a criticism than an compliment.

I admit I am biased. There were too many races (outside of California) where I believe Jon put the horse in a position to win.

Linny · #67 04-20-2010, 06:52 PM

Gotta sting a bit when you win a $1m G1 and get replaced next out.

2Hot4TV · #68 04-20-2010, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept

John Sadler has secured Rafael Bejarano to ride Line of David bumping Jon Court.

No Class from "Line of Davids" connections. This rider switch will not get their horse any closer to the winners circle.

philcski · #69 04-20-2010, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Jon Court was gracious as usual.

You stay classy, Sadler.

Agree. What a dick move.

2Hot4TV · #70 04-20-2010, 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Merlinsky

Crap. When it went on like that with nothing firm, I got the feeling it wasn't gonna work out. Can I just ask, is there something Jon's got against him that keeps some trainer from wanting him? I mean are these just the breaks and it's nothing personal, or is there something that he needs to do that he isn't doing?

It's just Gods way of keeping Jon humble.

my miss storm cat · #71 04-20-2010, 07:03 PM

Wow that sucks.

philcski · #72 04-20-2010, 07:05 PM

Approximate current mid-market from Betfair (note the takeout is much lower than what is available stateside, but market is a bit thin right now and we should have a better idea of off odds this time next week):
Eskendereya 11/5
Lookin At Lucky 6/1
Sidneys Candy 12/1
Awesome Act 18/1 (offer 15/1, no bids)
Endorsement 19/1
Dublin 30/1
Ice Box 30/1
Super Saver 30/1
American Lion 35/1
Stately Victor 35/1 (offer 27/1, no bids)
Line of David 35/1
Noble's Promise 40/1 (offer 30/1, no bids)
Interactif 50/1 (offer 40/1, no bids)
Rule 50/1 (offer 35/1, no bids)
Homeboykris 100/1 (offer 65/1, no bids)
Aikenite 150/1 (offer 100/1, no bids)
Backtalk 150/1 (offer 100/1, no bids)
Conveyance 60/1 (offer 40/1, no bids)
Mission Impazible 30/1
Deans Kitten 75/1 (offer 50/1, no bids)

the_fat_man · #73 04-20-2010, 07:05 PM

What am I missing? Sadler's obligation is to do the best he possibly can for his owners. Opting for a top 5 jock over a mediocrity makes sense to me. It's not personal, it's (good) business. Not like this one has much of a shot but why not do all you possibly can, nonetheless?

NTamm1215 · #74 04-20-2010, 07:09 PM

Gomez is also replacing Theriot on Blame when he returns in the Schaefer on the Preakness undercard, not Derby related but it's another instance of a winning jockey getting replaced.

NT

philcski · #75 04-20-2010, 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

What am I missing? Sadler's obligation is to do the best he possibly can for his owners. Opting for a top 5 jock over a mediocrity makes sense to me. It's not personal, it's (good) business. Not like this one has much of a shot but why not do all you possibly can, nonetheless?

Top 5 or not (which RB is), how many TC races has he won?

dalakhani · #76 04-20-2010, 07:21 PM

It sucks for Court but Sadler is a west coast trainer and putting one of the top jockeys out west on his horse obviously is a good move on many levels.

I know this couldn't have hurt him as bad as getting taken off of Leroids de animaux.

#77 04-20-2010, 07:26 PM

Jon was out west for a few years and just recently left. It's a bad decision. Bejarano passed on the Arkansas Derby. What Sadler is really doing is saying his horse isn't that important.

I wish them all the best though.

Thanks for listening.

CP

ninetoone · #78 04-20-2010, 07:32 PM

Who did Bejarano ride that day instead? Don't remember.

NTamm1215 · #79 04-20-2010, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninetoone

Who did Bejarano ride that day instead? Don't remember.

Interactif.

NT

Sightseek · #80 04-20-2010, 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept

For those that don't understand why Homeboy Kris is running, Louie Lazzinaro ("Sergio's guy") doesn't expect to stay heavily involved in the sport with his close friend Bobby Frankel having passed. He is not outrageously wealthy with money to burn chasing a Derby dream like a Ken Ramsey. He simply wants to be able to experience having a horse in the Derby knowing there almost certainly will never be another chance for him. It's as simple as that and I doubt any one of us would feel differently if the opportunity came our way.

I would hate to see how much it would cost for a glass of wine if he was trying to get outrageously wealthy!