Glenn Beck

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

I have voted for a Democrat numerous times. He has been in office since Jan 2009 and our economy is still in shambles. One year and three months in office should be enough time to try to make some fixes to our struggling economy. I am fully aware that he inherited a mess from Bush. I wanted him to succeed, but he hasn't shown me anything that makes me think he wants to be a successful President. Which do you think should be of a higher priority: Health care reform or fixing the economy. He has gone against the majority of Americans who didn't want the health care bill passed. Instead of thinking about his fellow Americans he thinks about himself. He has put his own political party under the table with this health care reform bill and could care less about it. What has he done about securing our borders from these thug drug cartels? Governor Perry has taken the initiative to try to protect the borders of Texas. Would I consider voting for someone other than a Republican? Absolutely I would. I want to vote for the candidate who is going to do the best for the people and not go against thier will.

When are people like you going to get it through your heads that these two things are not mutually exclusive? The former is an avenue to achieve the latter.

And you can't possibly be that simple to think that any president who does something unpopular is automatically acting only out of self-interest. That presupposes that the majority of Americans know exactly what's best for the country despite the complexity of the issues.

Hell, Obama said on the campaign trail that he wouldn't always do what's popular. You'd prefer a president that always does what the polls say most people want, despite an often misinformed public? Seriously? What if the majority of the public isn't on your side? Would you still be down for that?

Even though I hated most of Bush's decisions, I'm not foolish enough to criticize him simply for not adhering to what polls say people want. I also had to laugh at you talking about how everything should be about the economy, then two sentences later, whining about how Obama's not doing enough to stop Mexican drug dealers? Way to stay on base.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

You're putting words in my mouth that I never said. We can be tough and still have a heart. And, I'm not as afraid about "kooks in other lands" as I've become of the "kooks in D.C.", and not all of them are Democrats.

Sure we can! Say... got another dollar I can tax you on so I can spend it on a bigger military or send it to Israel?


So your choice... less tough and less heart, but less money out of your pocket, or more tough and more heart, and more money out of your pocket. What you say?

Originally Posted by Riot

Yeah, this is one interesting race!

I hate these attacking commercials. Followed by a group orgy "supporting" the guy from their party they just trashed in the primaries. Rand Paul is the son of the most conservative guy in Congress but he's far more progressive than his father and far, far, far more progressive than that kook Trey Grayson, whom I half expect to move his campaign office to the Creation Museum...

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by philcski

Sure we can! Say... got another dollar I can tax you on so I can spend it on a bigger military or send it to Israel?

So your choice... less tough and less heart, but less money out of your pocket, or more tough and more heart, and more money out of your pocket. What you say?

I've already answered that question - big military, small government, low taxes. That's how we can accomplish "tough with a heart". The tough part (a strong military) is the responsibility of the government as outlined in the Constitution. The heart comes from the people themselves - the generous, caring, compassionate people of the U.S. who never failed to reach into their pockets to help others in need. And, if we werent' taxed out of our eyeballs already and tax programs to be heaped on an already overtaxed population, we could get back to being generous. But who the heck has any money leftover anymore, or how many people who are struggling to find a job have enough money to pay for even the barest of life's essentials.

This country is in the toilet and the big flush is soon to come.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

I've already answered that question - big military, small government, low taxes. That's how we can accomplish "tough with a heart". The tough part (a strong military) is the responsibility of the government as outlined in the Constitution. The heart comes from the people themselves - the generous, caring, compassionate people of the U.S. who never failed to reach into their pockets to help others in need. And, if we werent' taxed out of our eyeballs already and tax programs to be heaped on an already overtaxed population, we could get back to being generous. But who the heck has any money leftover anymore, or how many people who are struggling to find a job have enough money to pay for even the barest of life's essentials.

This country is in the toilet and the big flush is soon to come.

Sure, sounds great. Big military- how about 20X bigger than the next guy? We're already at 8X. Hell, why not go to 100X? Bigger military than we already have is absurd.

So sending $25 billion to Israel is being generous? Or should we expect people to send that money out of pocket? That's $100 per person. We can do it!

Let me ask you this: how has the effective tax rate changed over the last 30 years? How much do you expect your taxes to increase for 2011?

[Cannon Shell]

it is always interesting to see how the other side sees things. telling but interesting.


I especially liked it when the argument was made for capital gains to be taxed at the same rate as 'wages'. This of course fails to understand that capital gains are the result of invested money being "risked", there is no presumption of profit as there is with wages. You see when investing you may actually lose money which combined with a high tax rate provides less incentive to take that risk. Remember that those who earn wages are profiting on the backs of other peoples risks.

Of course those 'rich' people do create the jobs no matter how hard you want this to not be true.

And the blather about the healthcare bill providing ecomonic relief as opposed to the opposite ignores what has happened since its passage, namely the majority of the countries biggest employers plans to dump tens of millions of people onto govt's dole. You see the way the financing was rigged so that the thing passed depended on business simply taking the hit when that most certainly wont happen no matter how many hearings Waxman calls.

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by philcski

Sure, sounds great. Big military- how about 20X bigger than the next guy? We're already at 8X. Hell, why not go to 100X? Bigger military than we already have is absurd.

So sending $25 billion to Israel is being generous? Or should we expect people to send that money out of pocket? That's $100 per person. We can do it!

Let me ask you this: how has the effective tax rate changed over the last 30 years? How much do you expect your taxes to increase for 2011?

philcski - will you please stop "spinning". I originally responded on this issue to a poster who said, "Cut the defense budget by 50%". That's what's absurd. We frankly don't know how big China's or Iran's military arsenal is. We've already learned that all it takes is about a dozen nut cases and 3 highjacked airliners to take out several thousand people in the matter of a couple of hours. Military spending goes beyond weaponry and manpower. There's state of the art intelligence and keeping up with techology and highly technical people to manage such. That does not necessarily mean we have to increase the budget to increase the size. If those fat butt bureaucrats would just stay the heck out of the way of the military professionals and let them do their job and stop throwing monkey wrenches into the process passing ridiculous rules and regulations about where, how, and why desperately needed items are bought, the military would work more efficiently and do their job better.

And, the private sector and corporations have and continue to send money to Israel. I wonder how long that will be allowed. Talk about hate! Obama has shown nothing but disdain for Israel.

How much will my taxes be increased? I know that VAT is on the table, but I really can't imagine what else BO has on his taxation agenda. I continue to be astounded by his actions on a daily basis.

"I will not raise your taxes."

No, maybe he won't, but he'll find a dozen or more way to institute new taxes.

As long as you're so big at asking questions, let me ask you a question. How's that hopey changey BO thing working out for you?

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

You know how I get when it comes to the military.

LOL. I thought it was an insane post too until I figured out it was sarcasm.

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

philcski - will you please stop "spinning". I originally responded on this issue to a poster who said, "Cut the defense budget by 50%". That's what's absurd. We frankly don't know how big China's or Iran's military arsenal is. We've already learned that all it takes is about a dozen nut cases and 3 highjacked airliners to take out several thousand people in the matter of a couple of hours. Military spending goes beyond weaponry and manpower. There's state of the art intelligence and keeping up with techology and highly technical people to manage such. That does not necessarily mean we have to increase the budget to increase the size. If those fat butt bureaucrats would just stay the heck out of the way of the military professionals and let them do their job and stop throwing monkey wrenches into the process passing ridiculous rules and regulations about where, how, and why desperately needed items are bought, the military would work more efficiently and do their job better.

And, the private sector and corporations have and continue to send money to Israel. I wonder how long that will be allowed. Talk about hate! Obama has shown nothing but disdain for Israel.

How much will my taxes be increased? I know that VAT is on the table, but I really can't imagine what else BO has on his taxation agenda. I continue to be astounded by his actions on a daily basis.

"I will not raise your taxes."

No, maybe he won't, but he'll find a dozen or more way to institute new taxes.

As long as you're so big at asking questions, let me ask you a question. How's that hopey changey BO thing working out for you?

Precisely. The military's might served no purpose in 9/11, and that is no knock against it, because with all the best intelligence in the world we could not have known that was the time. There was nothing they could do. I should have died that day, believe me I'm all for national security against terrorism. We are fighting a different war now, an information war. Sourcing and sorting credible leads doesn't take guns and tanks, it takes information technology and code cracking geniuses.

We are not at war with China- and probably never will be in my or your lifetime. We are not at war with Iran. We do not need to expand the military financially or structurally. Another Packard Commission type approach is much needed, but how much do you think they will find? I sincerely hope there's not $400 hammers and $600 toilet seats out there again, and doubt it. Overspending is hidden in Raytheon's balance sheet and would be very tough to root out.

The effective tax rate has fluctuated under 3% in the 30 years since 1980 for everyone but those in the top 10%. We are in no different situation tax-wise as individuals as we have been since Carter.

Your taxes won't go up a dime 2011- in fact they probably will go down. Obama's tax plan affects those making over $250k and corporations which had cuts under the Bush administration.

I don't care about some hokey campaign slogan. Quite frankly, his "programs" outside of healthcare reform are pretty industry standard.

China would be toast in a matter of days.

Jesus, people.

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by philcski

LOL. I thought it was an insane post too until I figured out it was sarcasm.
Precisely. The military's might served no purpose in 9/11, and that is no knock against it, because with all the best intelligence in the world we could not have known that was the time. There was nothing they could do. I should have died that day, believe me I'm all for national security against terrorism. We are fighting a different war now, an information war. Sourcing and sorting credible leads doesn't take guns and tanks, it takes information technology and code cracking geniuses.

We are not at war with China- and probably never will be in my or your lifetime. We are not at war with Iran. We do not need to expand the military financially or structurally. Another Packard Commission type approach is much needed, but how much do you think they will find? I sincerely hope there's not $400 hammers and $600 toilet seats out there again, and doubt it. Overspending is hidden in Raytheon's balance sheet and would be very tough to root out.

The effective tax rate has fluctuated under 3% in the 30 years since 1980 for everyone but those in the top 10%. We are in no different situation tax-wise as individuals as we have been since Carter.

Your taxes won't go up a dime 2011- in fact they probably will go down. Obama's tax plan affects those making over $250k and corporations which had cuts under the Bush administration.

I don't care about some hokey campaign slogan. Quite frankly, his "programs" outside of healthcare reform are pretty industry standard.

Technology and keeping up with it costs a LOT of money. It's probably more expensive than weaponry.

Don't ever think for a minute that China and/or Iran won't go to war with us or practice some form of terrorism.

I already said that Obama will probably hold true to his promise of not raising taxes, but new taxes will be imposed. How do you explain VAT being proposed. That's not in place of any current tax. It's a NEW tax.

I don't have much hope for the future of this country if it stays on its current socialistic, big government, tax, tax, tax, screw the military agenda. But, it's not my future any longer. Hopefully, the changes won't affect me given my "old" age. But, I'm happy to hear that you are comfortable with the way things are going. I hope you continue on the path to success, financial stability, and well-being.