SA derby

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Jill?! Go on a crazy rant?


Never!

We all know the class act that is Jill Baffert. I better shut up or maybe Bob will threaten to have the site shut down.

Here is yet another article. After watching the replay, I think she and Gomez have a good point. That was pretty dirt on Espinoza's part.


http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2...fter-big-race/

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

That was pretty dirt on Espinoza's part.

You don't let an odds-on favorite force his way up inside of you at that point in the race.

Look at what Migliore and Cohen both did to an odds-on favorite in the Whirlaway. Migliore intentionally cut him off - veered inward sharply and got his own horse cut in the back leg - and Cohen went WAY out of his way to gun and intimidate going into the 1st turn.

What's Espinoza supposed to do - push the horse to his outside out and give Lookin At Lucky a VIP invite path up the rail because Gomez wanted to save ground? Saving ground is close to pointless on that track anyway.

Anyone who thinks Espinoza was totally out of horse at that point is kidding themselves .. you're never out of horse that early on synthetic. It's not like they were flying up front.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

You don't let an odds-on favorite force his way up inside of you at that point in the race.

Look at what Migliore and Cohen both did to an odds-on favorite in the Whirlaway. Migliore intentionally cut him off - veered inward sharply and got his own horse cut in the back leg - and Cohen went WAY out of his way to gun and intimidate going into the 1st turn.

What's Espinoza supposed to do - push the horse to his outside out and give Lookin At Lucky a VIP invite path up the rail because Gomez wanted to save ground? Saving ground is close to pointless on that track anyway.

Anyone who thinks Espinoza was totally out of horse at that point is kidding themselves .. you're never out of horse that early on synthetic. It's not like they were flying up front.

Doug, what is your opinion on Candy now? Im guessing the beyer is in the 100-105 range, and Im also thinking he can still improve first time dirt. Are you really going to jump off?

[South Beach Luv]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Doug, what is your opinion on Candy now? Im guessing the beyer is in the 100-105 range, and Im also thinking he can still improve first time dirt. Are you really going to jump off?

do you still expect him to be 20-1?

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by South Beach Luv

do you still expect him to be 20-1?

I expect him to be no worse then the 3rd choice, no higher then 7-1, how can he be? He has done nothing wrong in his last 3 and keeps improving, and he is 100% a wise guy horse, especially with Esk, being a heavy favorite now.

[South Beach Luv]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I expect him to be no worse then the 3rd choice, no higher then 7-1, how can he be? He has done nothing wrong in his last 3 and keeps improving, and he is 100% a wise guy horse, especially with Esk, being a heavy favorite now.

I'm hoping Odysseus or Dublin can run a huge race next weekend to spread it around even more. 10-1 on SC would be nice.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Anyone who thinks Espinoza was totally out of horse at that point is kidding themselves .. you're never out of horse that early on synthetic. It's not like they were flying up front.

Right. I don't want my RETARDS trying to win races (which is hard enough for them) but, rather, I want them to be out there trying to **** with the other RETARDS. ****** demolition/roller derby. Any jock that intentionally hugs the rail on a tiring horse just needs to be fined. There's absolutely no justification for it.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Right. I don't want my RETARDS trying to win races (which is hard enough for them) but, rather, I want them to be out there trying to **** with the other RETARDS. ****** demolition/roller derby. Any jock that intentionally hugs the rail on a tiring horse just needs to be fined. There's absolutely no justification for it.

For someone like yourself, who loves the syn-dirt move, are you not happy about this? LAL goes from the clear cut second choice, to maybe the 3,4 choice depening on the Arkansas Derby result.

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Right. I don't want my RETARDS trying to win races (which is hard enough for them) but, rather, I want them to be out there trying to **** with the other RETARDS. ****** demolition/roller derby. Any jock that intentionally hugs the rail on a tiring horse just needs to be fined. There's absolutely no justification for it.

Are you drinking this early ????????????????

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Right. I don't want my RETARDS trying to win races (which is hard enough for them) but, rather, I want them to be out there trying to **** with the other RETARDS. ****** demolition/roller derby. Any jock that intentionally hugs the rail on a tiring horse just needs to be fined. There's absolutely no justification for it.

why do you have to use the R word so much? Pin head works for jockeys. The other word is insulting to the millions with disabilities.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

why do you have to use the R word so much? Pin head works for jockeys. The other word is insulting to the millions with disabilities.

And "pinheads" is insulting to the millions with smaller than average heads.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

And "pinheads" is insulting to the millions with smaller than average heads.

(I think it more has to do with the size of the brain, not the head)

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

(I think it more has to do with the size of the brain, not the head)

Einstein's brain was smaller than normal. (Useless but true trivia fact of the day)

(Einstein the person, not the horse. I have no idea how large Einstein the horse's brain is in relation to other horses)

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

why do you have to use the R word so much? Pin head works for jockeys. The other word is insulting to the millions with disabilities.

It's the only way that what jockeys do makes sense to me. This way, I will always be able to give them the benefit of the doubt.

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

We all know the class act that is Jill Baffert. I better shut up or maybe Bob will threaten to have the site shut down.

Here is yet another article. After watching the replay, I think she and Gomez have a good point. That was pretty dirt on Espinoza's part.


http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2...fter-big-race/

Gomez was in trouble from the time the gates opened and he should of saved his horse from getting hurt, He was the trouble by expecting the rail to open for him. DUMB A S S. Victor should of pounded his bony a s s for being so stupid.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

Gomez was in trouble from the time the gates opened and he should of saved his horse from getting hurt, He was the trouble by expecting the rail to open for him. DUMB A S S. Victor should of pounded his bony a s s for being so stupid.

He was in trouble from the start? Didn't he get a horse from the 7 post to the rail? Wasn't he sitting an absolutely perfect trip on the verge of getting a dream run through before Espinoza just decided to close the hole?

Realistically, everyone needs to take a step back on this whole thing. The hysteria is absolutely out of control with this "he was in trouble the whole time" nonsense. The guy saved as much ground as he possibly could and ran into trouble at the worst possible time.

I mean would it have been better for him to give Lookin at Lucky the ride Solis gave Alphie's Bet?

NT

[Danzig]

when a jock hugs the rail and wins, he got a dream trip. when a jock attempts to hug the rail and gets cut off, it's a dumb ride...
i think the issue is more of jocks trying to keep other horses from winning, rather than worrying about the horse they're on. maybe espinoza has seen baileys dvd-at least of the smarty jones belmont?

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Danzig

when a jock hugs the rail and wins, he got a dream trip. when a jock attempts to hug the rail and gets cut off, it's a dumb ride...
i think the issue is more of jocks trying to keep other horses from winning, rather than worrying about the horse they're on. maybe espinoza has seen baileys dvd-at least of the smarty jones belmont?

It was a dream trip, up till Vic goes crazy. Why cant it be both?

[Rudeboyelvis]

Regardless of whether saving ground inside was a tactical decision on his part or a complete f -up on his part, will never be known - what seems clear is that he completely disregarded Baffert's instructions (From the LA Daily News):


>>>Replays were inconclusive as to whom was at fault, but Lookin At Lucky's trainer, Bob Baffert, was upset at Gomez and said he gave his colt a "horrendous" ride. The stewards posted the inquiry sign moments after the race and made no change when they ruled the runners involved finished behind Lookin At Lucky.

"I told him to keep (Lookin At Lucky) close, that they were going to go slow, (but) he took him back and he was fighting him, and it was horrendous," Baffert said. "You can't be on the inside on this track. The ride was horrendous. <<<


And will probably cost him the mount:


>>>Baffert, asked if Gomez would keep the mount on Lookin At Lucky for the Kentucky Derby, was noncommittal.
"I'm not going to talk about that right now," Baffert said. "But I just can't believe he rode him like that. When I saw him on the rail I thought, `What is he doing?' He must not have seen (retired Hall of Fame jockey) Jerry Bailey's tape. I'm going to buy him his DVD." <<<

http://www.dailynews.com/ci_14817465?source=rss

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

It was a dream trip, up till Vic goes crazy. Why cant it be both?

lol
garrett gave a good, and then a bad ride in the same race?