Change of Plans for Lava Man

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Gander

Holy Bull, Cigar, Skip Away. What a time for horse racing. Man it makes today's racing look very bad.

Bernardini > Cigar.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Bernardini > Cigar.

I'll believe it when I see it. He won't stay sound enough to beat Cigar's record. I doubt he even runs 20 times in his career.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I'll believe it when I see it. He won't stay sound enough to beat Cigar's record. I doubt he even runs 20 times in his career.

Record my foot. He's better than Cigar was.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Record my foot. He's better than Cigar was.

Depends on what you consider "better." Bernardini has beat nothing but tired horses... a healthy Barbaro would have put him away.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Depends on what you consider "better." Bernardini has beat nothing but tired horses... a healthy Barbaro would have put him away.

A healthy Barbaro would've eaten his dust. And allow me to clarify further.

Better = Faster. Bernardini is a faster horse than Cigar was.

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

A healthy Barbaro would've eaten his dust. And allow me to clarify further.

Better = Faster. Bernardini is a faster horse than Cigar was.

Dude, thats a little over the top wouldn't you say?
Barbaro's Derby was as good a Derby performance as I've seen in years. To say without question that Bern would blow him away is a lot farther than I would be willing to go.
And Smarty Jones sheet number in the Preakness(comparable to bern's preakness because of development comparison at the same stage of career) was faster than Bern's.
Hes great, but this is a tad premature.
I'm not even gonna address the Cigar thing. He won every place, and everywhere.

[Gander]

Its far too early for that Ateam, but I happen to agree with you from a talent perspective. This horse has to stay on the track and actually race about 10 more times just to be mentioned with Cigar and Skip Away. Thats whats difference with horse racing today and from 10 years ago. Nobody wants to race anymore. I feel bad for anybody that wasnt a big fan when Skip Away and Cigar were constantly making news.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Gander

Its far too early for that Ateam, but I happen to agree with you from a talent perspective. This horse has to stay on the track and actually race about 10 more times just to be mentioned with Cigar and Skip Away. Thats whats difference with horse racing today and from 10 years ago. Nobody wants to race anymore. I feel bad for anybody that wasnt a big fan when Skip Away and Cigar were constantly making news.

Absolutely. Cigar has definitely accomplished more than Bernardini has so far. There's no debating that. But Bernardini is a faster horse.

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Depends on what you consider "better." Bernardini has beat nothing but tired horses... a healthy Barbaro would have put him away.

Barbaro raced like an older horse in his last 3 starts. He raced like he knew where the wire was and was not going to be beat. He was something special.