First call to impeach Obama, depending on what he does...

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

They had to bribe, arm twist, make backroom deals, pressure, beg, etc to get this bill passed by 5 votes. That is seemingly forgotten during the victory celebration. There are enough homophobic constitutes that this wouldnt have passed with that language in it. You are right, it is wrong but lets face it, gays are voting Dem no matter what they do and Obama/Pelosi werent going to risk not passing this thing because of them. I will bet you this though, they will try to change it.

Pretty sad all the deals that O'Dumbass had to make to get this bill to only pass by five votes. Im sure the Democrats are celebrating a victory comes November im hoping there will be hell to be paid to these worthless Democrats. Im going to laugh when O'Dumbass renigs on his deal with Stupak about the abortion clause. Correct me if im wrong federal money isnt to be used for abortion, only for emergency purposes. If this is the case someone help me out here why was this clause put in the bill? Thanks for your help.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Pretty sad all the deals that O'Dumbass had to make to get this bill to only pass by five votes. Im sure the Democrats are celebrating a victory comes November im hoping there will be hell to be paid to these worthless Democrats. Im going to laugh when O'Dumbass renigs on his deal with Stupak about the abortion clause. Correct me if im wrong federal money isnt to be used for abortion, only for emergency purposes. If this is the case someone help me out here why was this clause put in the bill? Thanks for your help.

It changed nothing. Stupak's amendment was trying to further reign in abortions by making it so that any exchanges that were even remotely touched by federal money couldn't provide abortion for their insured, which would've gone far beyond current law and would've hindered women's ability to get an abortion even further.

So really, Stupak was grandstanding for absolutely nothing in the end, because even if Obama signs an order...it won't change anything.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

It changed nothing. Stupak's amendment was trying to further reign in abortions by making it so that any exchanges that were even remotely touched by federal money couldn't provide abortion for their insured, which would've gone far beyond current law and would've hindered women's ability to get an abortion even further.

So really, Stupak was grandstanding for absolutely nothing in the end, because even if Obama signs an order...it won't change anything.

Thank you for further clarifying this for me.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

It changed nothing. Stupak's amendment was trying to further reign in abortions by making it so that any exchanges that were even remotely touched by federal money couldn't provide abortion for their insured, which would've gone far beyond current law and would've hindered women's ability to get an abortion even further.

So really, Stupak was grandstanding for absolutely nothing in the end, because even if Obama signs an order...it won't change anything.

Obama today signed the order that simply reconfirms that the Hyde Amendment is the law of the land. Whoopie. A one-pen deal

What Brian said, above - Stupak was trying, via his amendment, to get more restrictions on abortion than exist today. He failed. Thank goodness.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Pretty sad all the deals that O'Dumbass had to make to get this bill to only pass by five votes. Im sure the Democrats are celebrating a victory comes November im hoping there will be hell to be paid to these worthless Democrats. Im going to laugh when O'Dumbass renigs on his deal with Stupak about the abortion clause. Correct me if im wrong federal money isnt to be used for abortion, only for emergency purposes. If this is the case someone help me out here why was this clause put in the bill? Thanks for your help.

they had more if they needed them. what's shocking is that it passed by as many as 5 votes when all they needed was 1.

there's a freshman democrat from a red district in colorado (can't remember her name right now) who voted against the bill in december but for it on sunday. that's a seat they probably lose because of her vote. i think practically speaking the party's better off taking a 3 vote win and having her at least competitive in november.

the real margin would have been in the teens if they needed that many.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

they had more if they needed them. what's shocking is that it passed by as many as 5 votes when all they needed was 1.

there's a freshman democrat from a red district in colorado (can't remember her name right now) who voted against the bill in december but for it on sunday. that's a seat they probably lose because of her vote. i think practically speaking the party's better off taking a 3 vote win and having her at least competitive in november.

the real margin would have been in the teens if they needed that many.

Im pretty sure the Democrats are going to take a big hit in November. Thats what they get for going against the will of the American public. I have no pity towards any Democrat that loses in November. Maybe O'Dumbass will give them a job cleaining Air Force One.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Im pretty sure the Democrats are going to take a big hit in November. Thats what they get for going against the will of the American public. I have no pity towards any Democrat that loses in November. Maybe O'Dumbass will give them a job cleaining Air Force One.

i think it will depend on the perception of the economy. it won't matter all that much how the economy's doing in any real sense. but if you see job growth in the fall, it's bad news for your side. in a relative sense.

republican's should make gains in november. that's what happens in off year elections to the party out of power.

and votes on this bill will cost freshman dems in red districts.

but the idea that this bill is going to be cause some tidal wave of voter revolt doesn't exist outside tea party meetings and republican masturbation fantasies.

i'm sure it's nice to think about. but in the end you just wind up like one of those folks at pace advantage that spend the last week of october 2008 insisting everything was an msm distortion.

eventually you need to come out of the cave and deal with reality. or not.

you can always read timm's links.

[Riot]

The GOP just blew it in the Senate this morning. In their zeal to add amendments to the health reform bill, they added two small technicalities that WILL send the bill back to the House for another vote.

Only problem is: now the Senate can add the Public option, has enough votes to pass it, and the House has already passed a Public option bill.

The leadership is scrambling right now, in both parties.

This is getting interesting!