HOL trims stakes purses; Rosario's book to Ebanks

freddymo · #1 03-11-2010, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav

First off, it says that Michael Baze was relocating to Chicago. OMG, that is far from good for me.

2nd off, I heard about a month ago that Rosario was having problems with his weight and his time was limited.

3rd off, how stupid is Joel Rosario. Say what you want about Stauffer, but Rosario has absolutely exploded since Vic got his book. Pre-book, he was another name out there, now he is top three guy. Why break something that isn't close to being a problem.

How long for this Jocks agent world do you think Vic really is? You think he is Mr. Popularity on the back stretch? You think Garcia needs Vic to get mounts from Baffert? What happens in may when Baffert ships half his string to NY and MP?

SCUDSBROTHER · #2 03-11-2010, 05:06 PM

He really said he could do better with somebody else? Guess lil Garcia winning the biggest race of the meet had no impact whatsoever on this decision? Vic, I thought ya did a great job for him. Talented people get pretty weird sometimes. Having 2 jocks is just problematic. If you didn't have Marty, and, 2 weeks ago, Baffert offered you the mount on Misremembered...What would you've done? I mean, just saying. That's proly what's going on in J's head.

Rupert Pupkin · #3 03-11-2010, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

He really said he could do better with somebody else? Guess lil Garcia winning the biggest race of the meet had no impact whatsoever on this decision? Vic, I thought ya did a great job for him. Talented people get pretty weird sometimes. Having 2 jocks is just problematic. If you didn't have Marty, and, 2 weeks ago, Baffert offered you the mount on Misremembered...What would you've done? I mean, just saying. That's proly what's going on in J's head.

I think you hit the nail right on the head.

brianwspencer · #4 03-11-2010, 06:53 PM

Michael Baze to Chicago for Arlington.

Why bad news for you, Scav?

Scav · #5 03-11-2010, 06:59 PM

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Michael Baze to Chicago for Arlington.

Why bad news for you, Scav?

He isn't good.

Either way, I think things are gonna be different here this summer. I have heard that Von Hemel and Hobby will NOT be coming back. But that is a rumor. That is alot of horses to replace, 60-ish

brianwspencer · #6 03-11-2010, 07:03 PM

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He isn't good.

Either way, I think things are gonna be different here this summer. I have heard that Von Hemel and Hobby will NOT be coming back. But that is a rumor. That is alot of horses to replace, 60-ish

So you've got a jockey that you don't like -- don't use him. I just thought from your initial response that there may have been more to it than that.

Scav · #7 03-11-2010, 07:07 PM

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So you've got a jockey that you don't like -- don't use him. I just thought from your initial response that there may have been more to it than that.

There is no difference between Baze and Karlsson...

jwkniska · #8 03-11-2010, 10:41 PM

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He isn't good.

Either way, I think things are gonna be different here this summer. I have heard that Von Hemel and Hobby will NOT be coming back. But that is a rumor. That is alot of horses to replace, 60-ish

Baze hired Fedor as his jock agent

Antitrust32 · #9 03-12-2010, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

He really said he could do better with somebody else? Guess lil Garcia winning the biggest race of the meet had no impact whatsoever on this decision? Vic, I thought ya did a great job for him. Talented people get pretty weird sometimes. Having 2 jocks is just problematic. If you didn't have Marty, and, 2 weeks ago, Baffert offered you the mount on Misremembered...What would you've done? I mean, just saying. That's proly what's going on in J's head.

just guessing but that could be right.

MaTH716 · #10 03-12-2010, 08:55 AM

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There are right ways to conduct yourself in business and wrong ways. On the surface, this seems like an emotional decision that a young, immature man made. But, again...only two people know how this really went down.

Sounds like someone was in the young man's ear. Probably something like (obviously my own guess/take), "Vic has taken you as far as he could and I could bring up to that next level".
I also do think coming east is part of the equation, if not now then in the near future and Ebanks probably mentioned that Vic has no desire to come east and probably doesn't have the connections that he would (like I said just a guess on my part).
Reguardless, it's a tough blow for Vic and I feel bad for him. But like someone said, it's buisness and unfortunately sometimes a cruel buisness.

freddymo · #11 03-12-2010, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716

Sounds like someone was in the young man's ear. Probably something like (obviously my own guess/take), "Vic has taken you as far as he could and I could bring up to that next level".
I also do think coming east is part of the equation, if not now then in the near future and Ebanks probably mentioned that Vic has no desire to come east and probably doesn't have the connections that he would (like I said just a guess on my part).
Reguardless, it's a tough blow for Vic and I feel bad for him. But like someone said, it's buisness and unfortunately sometimes a cruel buisness.

Vic was proud Rosario never left Ca. Vic told the free world he would never come east. Apparently, that isn't the way to grow your resume as a world class jock. "Hi, my name is Joel Rosario and I only race in a state were TB racing is in serious decline and I am berry berry happy?" You do the math, Math.

SCUDSBROTHER · #12 03-12-2010, 06:39 PM

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Sounds like someone was in the young man's ear.

Ya think? Well, in my opinion(after watching these midget activities for almost 30 years) this was predictable. For a lot of reasons, I think a top jock needs "his own" jock agent. I thought it was a bad move for Vic to pick the 2nd jock up. Obviously, we have opposing opinions on it. Remember when Talamo left this same Eubanks guy? I said these guys are better off with their own agents. I'm sure Joel agreed to it, but, in practice, it just doesn't work well. Dude, when your 2nd jock gets about 40k, and your top jock gets almost nothing? It was gunna test your lil experiment. Test over. All the stuff you two did together wasn't enough to counter this lil sht's anger over Marty get 40k, and him getting zip. So, people can tell me it works, but I just don't think the 2 jock thing works very well. The only thing that could of avoided this is not getting another jock to rep. What would you've done if J told you to pick 1? Again, a bad situation.

3kings · #13 03-12-2010, 08:00 PM

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Ya think? Well, in my opinion(after watching these midget activities for almost 30 years) this was predictable. For a lot of reasons, I think a top jock needs "his own" jock agent. I thought it was a bad move for Vic to pick the 2nd jock up. Obviously, we have opposing opinions on it. Remember when Talamo left this same Eubanks guy? I said these guys are better off with their own agents. I'm sure Joel agreed to it, but, in practice, it just doesn't work well. Dude, when your 2nd jock gets about 40k, and your top jock gets almost nothing? It was gunna test your lil experiment. Test over. All the stuff you two did together wasn't enough to counter this lil sht's anger over Marty get 40k, and him getting zip. So, people can tell me it works, but I just don't think the 2 jock thing works very well. The only thing that could of avoided this is not getting another jock to rep. What would you've done if J told you to pick 1? Again, a bad situation.

I agree with this, especially when the other agent is calling him and telling the PO'ed jockey that should have been his horse.